Live Chess Stats: A Painful Dilemna...

Reset everything Erik...there is way to much emphasis on rating/wins/losses/etc.  If people are going to leave simply beause they had there sats reset then let them leave.  Obviously they arent here for chess, but for some sort of self glory, and or ego trip. 

Of even more importance...will the wanna be gangsta issue in live chat be resolved so people can use it without having to be subjected to foul language, etc.?

Why not keep the current ratings and records, but let people who are insatisfied with it (because of disconnections, etc.) open a new account. You have the best of both world that way, no? I lost some game due to disconnections, I won some that way, so for me, it about evens out, and I'd be kinda disappointed to see my records wiped.

If you care so little about your rating, why would you ask for it to be reset? Why would you ask for it to be changed in any way, for that matter? Ironically enough, the idea of resetting everything shows that you yourself place too much emphasis on ratings.

People who truly don't care about their ratings wouldn't even be taking a side; they are okay with either side, because they simply don't care. That's the case with me--they can keep the current rating, they can reset it, they can even drop it to zero...I don't really care.

What we should care about is the archive of stored games. This is where you study and learn from your mistakes, where you monitor your progress, where you look for commonly occuring themes in your style of play, etc. These games are useful for learning--is there a good reason to justify deleting them?

I still don't understand though: what is the original reason for resetting everything? Plenty of people have pointed out that ratings aren't important, so it's okay to reset. But I'm trying to understand the original motivation behind resetting in the first place.

(Please don't say the reason is to correct for rating inaccuracies from disconnections. That'll be irony to the extreme. If so many people here agree that ratings aren't a big deal, then obviously that reason no longer applies.)

So...because you don't want to be concerned about accidentally losing the data, you simply delete the data before you have the chance to lose them?

This is like me deleting all my music files because I'm afraid to lose them. By deleting them, I no longer have to backup the files or worry about losing them, because I've consciously tossed them away. Why don't we just delete all the files we have, this way we don't have to manage them at all, and there'd be no way to lose them, because we won't have any! lol

Most important thing to me is my games, and I'd hate to see them deleted from the site because I'm hoping that eventually we will be able to use the game explorer with our live games (Please? ).

If they are going to be deleted, just give us time to download them. 

As for the ratings I see both sides and don't really care either way.

 Im for resetting everything so Erik can get live chess/chat 2.0 up and running and with a clean slate.  Me..you..and everyone else here have all had the time and opportunity to save our games.  Dont over analyze my post, there is no hidden meaning.

I agree with you Idea Eric, it doesnt really matter to me as long as I can improve on my chess in the end

 Amen Anthony!  There was a HUGE warning that live chess was BETA.  It wasnt a surprise and it wasnt hidden.

...at this new site ...all level will be seen evolving alltogether, from now 'n onwards, even in another lifetime ... eric has got it 2 ...

But what is the whole point of all this? Is it just a sentimental way to forget the past? What's the original motivation behind all this? There must be a reason we are doing all this cleaning up. Do we just hate the beta version so much that we feel like we must erase everything about it? Take a step back and see: this whole idea seems so driven and motivated, yet I haven't heard a good reason why it was considered in the first place.

Your are basically saying: "we don't want to manage the archive of stored games because it takes time and is a hassle, so we'll just delete them."

That's the whole reason behind all this? Again, I give my analogy:

Say I'm switching to a new computer. Instead of transferring my old files into the new computer, I delete all those files! This way, I'll have a smooth transition and can use my new computer straight away without worrying about old files. In fact, I won't even have to back up or organize those files...because I no longer have them!

I wish that was the solution to everything in life...just delete everything. This way, you'll never lose it by accident because you've deliberately tossed it away, lol.

Especially since storage is cheap.

I still support wiping the slate clean, but I honestly don't have a better reason than that the current rating calculations are broken and as a result there is some extremely bad outlier data at the one extreme (see the ChessNetwork thread).  This could be addressed on a case-by-case basis though, so it's not a very compelling argument.

 Erik asked for our opinons on what shouild be done, and i gave mine.  Doesnt mean my opinion is the correct one, its just my opinion.  Beta is for testing, you take the good from it and resolve the bad.  Like i said before dont over analyze this.  Erik is simply asking for our opinion on what to do.

I'm not judging your opinion, but you should at least provide a reason so others can understand where you are coming from. Right now, it just seems as if you woke up one morning and for some random reason decided that you wanted to erase all your past games, for what? Perhaps if I see your reason, I can convince myself too. But right now, I'm simply confused.

Suddenly everyone wants the games erased, everybody seems to intent on it, so eager about it, yet nobody knows why?

 I dont know how much simpler to make this.  But again...its simply my opinion.  Since live chess 2.0 is new i think we should just start from scratch.  I look at it as a new beginning for everyone.  Keep in mind that my opinion is based on nothing more than its a new start with a new live chess 2.0

Are u sure disconnect problem is solved? I had switched to live chess on yahoo because of disconnect problem - after reading this, i thought i'd try chess.com again - after all "beta" has been removed. Guess what - VERY FIRST game layed after about 10 moves - i was disconnected!!! And unlike in yahoo, you are not reconnected to same game when u r reconnected. Hmmm - yet another "loss" due to disconnection. ONE advantage with these disconnections - i have become more philosophical and am keeping my yahoo id active :-)

 I applaud you for being able to play chess on yahoo chess.  I cant...its so bad with cheaters, people using prgrams, etc. 

Live Chess 2.0 has NOT been delivered yet.

We are only discussing it here in this forum. If you play Live Chess NOW it is still the old beta (which might be confusing because 2.0 is in private beta testing).

Maybe, before re-setting everything, Chess.com could archive all games played during the thoroughly announced Beta era under a separate heading, thus allowing members to access their games (and possible annotations) online without interfering with the final product?