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Who is this 'brilliant' guy everyone is talking about who makes perfect moves? I want him to teach me. 
This 'cheating' topic takes up an awful lot of space in these forums; however, it is educational to say the least, but I feel sure that the vast majority of members play their matches in good faith and do not resort to ungentleman/lady conduct on this site. Is that grammatically correct, or does it really matter as long as we enjoy ourselves?
Everyone's politeliness is respectedly and appreciatiously belovedlinessismer.
StacyBearden wrote: Everyone's politeliness is respectedly and appreciatiously belovedlinessismer.
well said
'Nuff said.
Mar 13, 2008
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you know what? whatever, I am about to lose about 100 points to cheaters after I finish the couple of games I am still playing at the moment, that plus the hundreds of points I have lost to them already, I have decided to get my rating back up to 1800 once these present cheater are done screwing my rating up for me, stop playing rated games just like I have done in the 'couple' of other servers I play, and just start playing unrated tournaments here, I have to accept that I just can not handle the frustration of losing rating points to cheaters anymore, and that for my own psychological benefit I have to stop playing rated games over the internet once and for all, I have realized that these are not like yestertime when most of us chess fans had respect for the game, unlike back then, these are different times where there are a bunch of chess fans who truely and wrongly believe that using computer help to play chess is not only ok but also the right/smart thing to do....
note: I think some people are confusing the game of the great Capablanca with their play station and video games where they use all those cheats codes to win
well, I have news for you: this is the game of the great Capablanca, Bobby and many other great players and it deserves some respect unlike some other games out there whatever or whichever they might be...
Mar 13, 2008
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StacyBearden wrote: I figure it this way: it's a game. It's not OTB. There really is no way to prove it. Who cares if they did cheat? It's a game. I'm not in a tournament for any prize or anything. If someone cheats me, hey, I'm still playing chess against "something" and it's fun. Would it make me angry if I knew someone was cheating? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not. At this point I don't really care. Guys like Cheater_1 confuse me. Although he's explained a billion times why and how he cheated all those time, I guess I can't conceptualize any satisfaction I would get out of it, so it's pointless to me to cheat. Everybody here, almost everybody, is a stranger that I probably will never meet. I just like playing chess. I play with ChessMaster, too, when I have time. So if someone is using ChessMaster against me...see what I mean? Just let it roll off your back.
Good point.
Mar 13, 2008
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#28
StacyBearden wrote: Everyone's politeliness is respectedly and appreciatiously belovedlinessismer.
Whilst Stacey's verbiage may discombobulate the reader with its tautological incognizability who can really disagree with such authentic and well intended gibberish?
Whilst Stacey's verbiage may discombobulate the reader with its tautological incognizability who can really disagree with such authentic and well intended gibberish?
Archetype wrote: Furthermore, you can't assume that if someone is cheating all their moves will be flawless and their rating will be close to the top. I would venture to say that it might be more likely that it's a combination of the player making choices and the chess engine making choices (ie. when they reach a hard spot and need a way out). This way, the cheating is much easier to rationalize away: the player feels like their win/progress is more substantiated because they actually made decisions and perhaps took the time to understand each move they turned to an engine for.
I think you hit the nail on the head. A good player is always a good player. A cheater will probably not always cheat. So consistency is one way to tell. I have lost many games to lower rated players because of my own mistakes, but I have also lost some because they played flawlessly. And this from a player rated under 1000. And now I just got beat for the 4th out of four tournament games by a guy with a decent rating but still lower than mine. I am not accusing him of cheating per se, but one does have to wonder. One could make the argument that cheating is not a problem is the cheater is consistent, and always plays consistently well. Then the cheater looks, smells, sounds, feels, and tastes like a player rated over 2000, so for all intents and purposes, he or she is such a player. The problem comes when a player cheats selectively, because this Robinhood effect of taking points from the rich and giving them to the poor can wreak havoc on the ratings system. Not all of care that much about ratings, but it is an issue if tournaments are based on ratings. Speaking of which, did that guy who schooled me in the tournament (under 1500) throw his earlier games to qualify for this tournament? Makes you wonder...
Balderdash, and also, poppycock, sir. Poppycock!
now thats how you use your,,, ummm oh wait i just had it... brine was it? no... broom? ugh thats not it either... oo ooo BRAIN... thats using your brain guys... you must have had a 1337 vocabulary patch installed... sadly i can't afford a brain of my own... i'll just have to keep using this demo version i guess... 14 days left and then im on my own again...
It is okay batmanmg wont be much to go from one costume to another and I will confer you the following in a fortnight!!
Wizard of Oz: They have one thing you haven't got: a diploma. Therefore, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Universitartus Committiartum E Pluribus Unum, I hereby confer upon you the honorary degree of ThD.
Scarecrow: ThD?
Wizard of Oz: That's... Doctor of Thinkology.
heartford wrote:
theres a person I playing at the moment and he only joined yesterday played 4 full games already and 5 in progress one of them mine and his games are tooo perfect
mate in 6 moves things like that
Mate in six doesn't even point toward cheating, it points toward opponents who aren't paying attention.
"i would still like to know how cheaters are found out though"
I think that this site has some algorithms to check when players are too 'perfect' and computer-like. In some cases it's fairly obvious, e.g. when someone's moves correlate too closely with 3000+ play and they consistently pick up tactics that even the very top GMs might miss. But, cheating on a more subtle level is hard to catch. Cheating is maybe a little harder in very fast games, if you're consulting an engine manually. Maybe this is why a lot of the 'top games' here seem to be bullet speed or fast blitz. Ultimately, I think StacyBearden got it right at the top: in the end, it doesn't really matter, as you can still learn and/or have fun from a computerized opponent, and nothing is really on the line.