Please cut down vacation time

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Unfortunately, there appear to be some people who aren't good sports, and this is where one of the problems arises. Please note that I am not accusing you of being one of these people - from the reasonable language you use in your posts you are clearly a reasonable person and no doubt a good sport as well.

In post 13 you said "you agree to a certain time per move" - I didn't agree to more than 3 days per move, but this is what auto-timeout protection allows. In post 8 you suggested that if I want people to take less time per move then I should start a tournament of faster players (which is a good idea by the way), so by the same reasoning, if someone thinks they might take longer than 3 days for a move then they shouldn't enter 3 day per move tournaments. This is the nuisance that affects everyone in the tournament, not just me, and this is what I want adjusted, not the time per move.

Well... I've posted about this some time ago (like many others), and got no serious answer. Just in case you feel like it, you can read my old post.

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/the-numbers-behind-tournament-vacation-time

I believe what most of us are asking for is to reconsider the vacation time on TOURNAMENTS in particular.

Concerning this "we can't make everyone happy" concept... it IS true, but I understand the democratic method is to make the mayority of people happy. How do we know how many ppl in this site want to change the vacation time on tourneys? nothing easier.. Put it to VOTE!

btw I love this site, but it can still get better.

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No, tournaments take a long time because that is the nature of correspondence chess. You get a long time to make your moves. Some games will take months even without vacation time and each round will last as long as the longest game in that round. Believing that you can plan out all your vacation time for an entire tournament at the beginning of the tournament is short sighted since a tournament can easily last a year.

@jonnyjupiter: you're right. I did not read your first post carefull enough. You're talking about people who use 3 days per move and I read it as if you were complaining about these players.

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then those tournaments that "take a long time" are taking the normal amount of time that a correspondence chess tournament should take and are not being referred to in this thread. this thread is about vacation time being used especially during tournament play - that is the point we are discussing here.

and other than just stating that it is the fact, please explain why it is shortsighted to ask people to accept less vacation time for any tournaments they are in for the sake of everyone else in the tournament. i never said that people have to know months ahead of time when they are planning their vacations to accomodate chess.com. i merely suggested that they should be given less vacation time or possibly none at all in relation to tournament play. if that is a problem for them then play faster tournaments (or slower tournaments is also an option i guess) or simply avoid them altogether.

Another article for the 'Grow up' tray... some people have busy lives and need vacation.  Maybe get one yourself?! :)

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Or you could assume that people other than yourself have already got lives, but are trying to make things a little fairer for the majority of users. If the majority turns out to be imagined then whoopeedoo, the status quo reigns supreme, but in the meantime, let us have our discussion without too much summary judgment.

trigs, if you ask someone to accept less vacation time for the tournament, you are asking them to know months ahead of time if they are planning a vacation.

i just posted this comment in the other related thread..... I can see both sides to this debate. Sometimes it is frustrating to have a totally won game and your opponent dissapears on vacation (whether a paying member or not). I have a solution to this problem...why dont we have a tab that can be checked or unchecked that offers for the game to be (no vacation allowed?). You could put a seek out, check the tab, and only people who agree not to go on vacation can accept? this way players who want vacation can have it, and players who dont play others who dont? we could also have a setting in the tournemant creation tools to make a tournemant ''no vacation'' too. This wouldnt affect non 'no vacation games, if a player did go on vacation, he would only time out in those games where BOTH players had their ''no vacation'' tab checked? just an idea....this way erik, i think it is possible to please everyone :-))

Gumpty's suggestion would, by extension, disallow auto-timeout protection too, so would work for most of the issues raised in the two threads.

nice idea Gumpty.That couldmake everybody happy.

For any players reading this thread who agree with the no auto-vacation side - I've created an open tournament for players with less than 3 hours per move asking that nobody takes more than 7 days vacation time. 8 players in total with all games to happen simultaneously. Let's get it on, fast players!

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Kinda reminds me of Sgt. Bilko.

I'm in.

The tourney is called Quickplay Open, by the way.

NO NO NO NO.  Correspondance chess is slow.  Get it through your thick skulls.  If you want a fast game go play live chess.  This debate is shocking to me by its level of ridiculousness.

I agree with staggerlee. There was a time when correspondence chess was played via the postal service. This means games were s-l-o-w. If you want fast games go to live chess, play a blitz game against your computer. Vacation abuse is another matter, but as staggerlee pointed out, this debate is reaching the highest levels of ridiculousness. You could say that this debate has become slower than the subject being complained about (yeah I know some of you are upset. the I hate Hugh's comment line forms around the block).

I agree with staggerlee also.  This site accomodates all kinds of players.  But, corresponence chess is a different style altogether from live chess.  You could always work under the assumption that your opponent will use the entire 3 days to make their move.  Then you wouldn't feel anxiety.  As to vacation...I know it is hard to imagine, but there is life outside of chess that sometimes gets in the way of playing online.  I just had to use a long block of vacation to return to my home country for the first time in 4 years.  I am thankful that I didn't have to forfeit all my games in the process.  The vacation was unexpected and I had to take the opportunity.  Tournaments are slow in a correspondence format.  That is the nature of it.  I think this site does a great job.

Ummmm...I'm really just happy that I can play chess online on a great site.  Why does it matter how long it takes for a tournament to end or how long someone takes to play a game.  It's just a game.  There are no prizes to be won.  Personally, I don't want to win a game because of a timeout, if they need more time, that's fine. There are many more important things to be doing than complain about something so trivial as this...now clean up the milk you spilled and join another tournament already.

I totally agree with posts 36,37,38 & 39.