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ThatHoustonGuy

How many games must be played before a player is rated?  When I start a new game, if I specify a range, sometimes it tells me I have to include my rating in the range - but I'm unrated.

Thanks for any feedback.

ilmago

Playing one game is enough to be rated, just make sure that it is a rated game you play.

Unrated players are assumed to have a starting rating of 1200 for most purposes here.

ThatHoustonGuy

Thanks for your reply!  Now I get it.  I've one 1, lost 1, but still unrated.  I guess I was playing other unrated players in those games. 

All things with time, as they say.

Martin_Stahl

Actually, one game is enough to be rated, as imalgo says, if you are playing rated games. However, it takes a few games (don't know the actual number), for the unrated label to go away and your rating to show on games.

If you go to your game history, it will show your rating in the completed game list. You are currently rated 999.

Martin_Stahl

Also, your won game didn't get you any rating points since it wasn't long enough. Game needed to be at least 4 moves to gain a rating adjustment due to timeout.

ThatHoustonGuy

Thanks, Martin!  Appreciate the response.  Good info.

TadDude
Martin_Stahl wrote:

Also, your won game didn't get you any rating points since it wasn't long enough. Game needed to be at least 4 moves to gain a rating adjustment due to timeout.


Games must be at least 3 and a half moves to count.

I started saying games must be more than 3 moves since 3 and a half displays as 4 moves.

ThatHoustonGuy

Okay, here's how naive a chess player I am - what the heck is a half move?

TadDude
MDMesser wrote:

Okay, here's how naive a chess player I am - what the heck is a half move?


A half move is a ply.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ply click on "game theory"

Martin_Stahl
TadDude wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:

Also, your won game didn't get you any rating points since it wasn't long enough. Game needed to be at least 4 moves to gain a rating adjustment due to timeout.


Games must be at least 3 and a half moves to count.

I started saying games must be more than 3 moves since 3 and a half displays as 4 moves.


I remember a topic on here that talked about it in depth but I was just going by the Help/FAQ on why ratings don't change and it stated 4 moves, so that's what I went with.

LadyWolf

To clear this up for rated games...

If a game TIMES OUT in less than four moves, UNLESS it's a tournament or team match game; then there will be no affect on ratings.

Assuming you press the button, If you RESIGN at any time, it will affect your rating.  Even after one move.  Before the resign button is available, it will say ABORT.  If it says abort, the game will disappear, if it says RESIGN, your rating will be affected, always.

TadDude
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TadDude
Blackenne wrote:

To clear this up for rated games...

If a game TIMES OUT in less than four moves, UNLESS it's a tournament or team match game; then there will be no affect on ratings.

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I deleted the above post. We will have to agree to disagree on the 7 ply vs 8 ply situation.

The "UNLESS it's a tournament or team match game" is another issue. There is no unless, time outs do not count at less than 7 ply in any type of game.

I this tournament game of less than 7 ply ratings were not affected.

http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=49810348

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Tournament Game  P1P3R (1344)  AWARDCHESS 1649) 0-1 (won) 1 day 0 1/25/2012 view
Tournament Game  AWARDCHESS 1649)  AraHar (1756) 0-1 (lost) 1 day 31 1/25/2012 view

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LadyWolf

If a member times out several games in a row, the system will stop awarding ratings to the following game or games, assuming they have abandoned the site.

P1P3R timed out in the games previous to the one with Awardchess so there were no ratings awarded for that game.

I use the term "less than four moves" which also means "3.5 moves or less" which is actually in agreeance with your " 7 ply vs 8 ply" Laughing.

TadDude
Blackenne wrote:

If a member times out several games in a row, the system will stop awarding ratings to the following game or games, assuming they have abandoned the site.

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That's how it was before the programming broke, or maybe the policy changed.

Tournament Game  subse7en1229 (839)  bigblackugly (839) 0-1 (lost) 2 days 7 12/02/2011 view  
Tournament Game  wiltonb (1086)  subse7en1229 (847) 1-0 (lost) 1 day 18 12/02/2011 view  
Tournament Game  mateoris (1001)  subse7en1229 (850) 1-0 (lost) 1 day 1 12/02/2011 view  
Tournament Game  siouxie (1072)  subse7en1229 (850) 1-0 (lost) 1 day 14 12/02/2011 view  
Tournament Game  subse7en1229 (854)  JJN2 (1085) 0-1 (lost) 3 days 0 11/09/2011 view  
Tournament Game  ironballs (1107)  subse7en1229 (854) 1-0 (lost) 3 days 1 11/06/2011 view  
Tournament Game  shaneshady89 (1008)  subse7en1229 (854) 1-0 (lost) 3 days 1 11/06/2011 view  
Tournament Game  deltablues (1103)  subse7en1229  (854) 1-0 (lost) 3 days 1 11/06/2011 view  

Some time after 2011 Nov 9 the 854 floor was pulled from under subse7en1229 and timeouts lowered the rating.

bandi611 started freefalling 2011 Nov 13.

WhiteBlackResultTimeMovesDateAction 
Turn-Based Game  bandi611 (775)  TheCleric (1362) 0-1 (lost) 3 days 6 11/18/2011 view  
Turn-Based Game  kornhughes (984)  bandi611 (779) 1-0 (lost) 3 days 7 11/18/2011 view  
Turn-Based Game  marty102x (1021)  bandi611 (795) 1-0 (lost) 3 days 7 11/18/2011 view  
Turn-Based Game  gerritt77 (1050)  bandi611 (810) 1-0 (lost) 3 days 7 11/17/2011 view  
Turn-Based Game  chessssssqqqe(1206)  bandi611 (826) 1-0 (lost) 3 days 5 11/17/2011 view  
Turn-Based Game  bandi611 (838)  crocalex (932) 0-1 (lost) 10 days 2 11/17/2011 view  
Turn-Based Game  bandi611 (838)  stundest (1210) 0-1 (lost) 3 days 7 11/16/2011 view  
Turn-Based Game  fret_twelve (1238)  bandi611 (847) 1-0 (lost) 3 days 8 11/16/2011 view  
Turn-Based Game  bandi611 (856)  Dunks303 (911) 0-1 (lost) 3 days 5 11/16/2011 view  
Turn-Based Game  bandi611 (900)  Barb711  (1058) 0-1 (lost) 3 days 9 11/13/2011 view  
Turn-Based Game  ankush_pcmc(1162)  bandi611 (934) 1-0 (lost) 3 days 4 11/13/2011 view  
Turn-Based Game  choyacero(unrated)  bandi611 (964) 0-1 (won) 3 days 2 11/08/2011 view  

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TadDude

Looks like the freefall situation was temporary. All is well with the world again.

WhiteBlackResultTimeMovesDateAction 
Tournament Game  dr_islam (2075)  Vicdman60 (2221) 1-0 (lost) 14 days 1 1/14/2012 view
Tournament Game  mitto (2131)  Vicdman60 (2221) 1-0 (lost) 14 days 1 1/10/2012 view
Tournament Game  Vicdman60 (2221)  olopitan (1933) 0-1 (lost) 14 days 0 1/10/2012 view
Tournament Game  Vicdman60 (2221)  lavamancer (1832) 0-1 (lost) 14 days 0 1/10/2012 view
Tournament Game  Vicdman60 (2221)  norlavuaram (1323) 0-1 (lost) 14 days 0 1/10/2012 view
Tournament Game  olopitan (1941)  Vicdman60 (2221) 1-0 (lost) 14 days 1 12/27/2011 view
Tournament Game  lavamancer (1832)  Vicdman60 (2221) 1-0 (lost) 14 days 1 12/27/2011 view
Tournament Game  Vicdman60 (2221)  mitto (2132) 0-1 (lost) 14 days 0 12/27/2011 view
Tournament Game  Vicdman60 (2221)  dr_islam (2075) 0-1 (lost) 14 days 0 12/27/2011 view
Tournament Game  norlavuaram (1323)  Vicdman60 (2221) 0-1 (won) 14 days 0 12/27/2011 view
Tournament Game  mitto (2146)  Vicdman60 (2221) 1-0 (lost) 14 days 46 12/13/2011 view
Team Match Game  chesslida (1870)  Vicdman60 (2269) 1-0 (lost) 3 days 2 7/13/2011 view
Team Match Game  Vicdman60 (2269)  chesslida (1870) 0-1 (lost) 3 days 2 7/13/2011 view
Team Match Game  juvi999 (2213)  Vicdman60 (2269) 1-0 (lost) 3 days 18 7/05/2011 view
Team Match Game  Vicdman60 (2301)  juvi999 (2204) 0-1 (lost) 3 days 3 5/23/2011 view
Tournament Game  Narnash (1683)  Vicdman60 (2301) 0-1 (won) 14 days 5 1/21/2011 view

Ratings floor after five timeouts.

brendonnis

I am also confused somewhat about how to begin being rated.

How do i ensure the games i am playing are being rated? i can not find this info anywhere! (am i blind?)

I also can not locate my games history as advised?

Is it because I am playing for free? I registered recently to play some games before deciding... 

Any advise would be helpful.

Cheers