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jonnyjupiter wrote:

I have a mac and use Safari, which I love. I have recently downloaded Firefox because I keep getting lines of code when pages load for chess.com and I can't create tournaments in Safari (because all I see is reams of code).

Firefox is good, but I still marginally prefer Safari. Livechess works ok in both.

IE is not a fun experience for me and never has been.


You can try Camino - Mozilla Power, Mac style: I use this when I'm in my Mac

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Spiffe wrote:

If you're going to switch, Firefox is the only real alternative.  Chrome, Safari, and Opera are all new & sexy, but their market penetration is very low, and most web developers don't bother to support them.  So while most web sites work in them, some won't, and in those cases you're going to need to have IE or Firefox as a "backup" browser anyway.  Not much of a product if you have to use its alternatives 5% of the time.


Well, u have to think that firefox also had its start, while (I suppose) it had that low market penetration, and look at it now: most used brower:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSG-VVRwePc

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neb-c wrote:

Chrome is simple, fast, secure and the best.

Oh yeah, but I try it and it's not so fast and secure. I currently using Safari, the latest version.


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Part of me was very tempted to post on the article about browsers. As far as IE goes, it's not as bad as the press surrounding it. A lot of vulnerabilities are addressed straight away, and the most recent had a takeup of about 10,000 sites (which makes the chances of you being targeted tiny). At the CanSecWest hacking competition (a Mac, a Windows box and a Linux box are all hacked simultaneously with 10k going to the person who hacks the first successfully) the first box to be compromised was the Macbook Air, with Vista + IE7 holding up against all attempts. It was with the introduction of Flash that the Windows box was broken into (I'd better mention that the Linux box was never broken, however the vulnerability that compromised the Windows box could have been utilised on the Linux box, they just ran out of time).

However, on browsers. Chrome is still relatively new, it doesn't have the best rendering out there, and it's not the fastest out there. I'm not even going to mention the carpet bombing vuln that was carried across from WebKit (the backend of Safari) into Chrome, which made the tech news a few months ago. Opera has the best rendering capability, is as secure as every small browser, is faster out of the other browsers and also has the richest featureset out of the box.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers#Web_technology_support

If it wasn't for the press slavering over Chrome because it's from Google it wouldn't have a look-in, as really, it doesn't bring much new to the table, and really isn't that great a renderer..

Have a look through the feature comparisons and then do something sensible, get Opera.

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i use ie

 

if i download firefox, can i use ie still or just firefox

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FireFox!

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ihitdrums wrote:

i use ie

 

if i download firefox, can i use ie still or just firefox

 


If you download Firefox, you can still use Internet Explorer.

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The middle-click scroll wasn't as smooth in chrome as it is in firefox when I tried the beta, and that kinda turned me off.  IE is terrible not because of its interface but because of its security flaws.

I mean, come on - it's like choosing between a lock that is known to be pickable and a lock that is known to be hard to pick.

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but doesnt "hard to pick" still mean it can be picked?

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Find ten sites that exploit a different flaw each in IE7 then...

Pointing out something like a buffer overrun is very different from exploiting it (you have to be lucky to do anything other than just crash the browser). It's more like choosing between a lock that is known to be incredibly hard to pick and one that is hard to pick but that opens onto an empty cupboard. As I've said above, IE7's security isn't as bad as is made out. It's like saying that two bishops are always far better than two knights, on paper it might look insecure, but those security holes aren't really of much consequence, and you'd have to be pretty unlucky to stumble onto a site that exploits holes effectively. You'd be far more likely to come across something exploiting the Safari/Chrome carpet bomb bug (which has been patched of course) simply because it's a useful flaw..

I'm not saying I think IE is as secure as FireFox, I'm just saying there's not much use panicking people into switching, because I don't think it really is a big problem. The last estimate I saw of the uptake of the "big" IE flaw was 10,000 sites. Type chess into Google and see how many sites you come across, then divide 10,000 by that number and multiply by 100%, then think of what proportion chess sites make up of the internet and what the chances of you stumbling across a dangerous site and your anti-virus missing attack vectors actually are.

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I read a news letter on the internet. It is fixed. They sent the new update early!

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Original:

Google Chrome arbeitet schneller als IE, Firefox und Safari

Von Stephen Shankland und Stefan Beiersmann
CNET News.com
03. September 2008, 09:57 Uhr
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JavaScript-Benchmark offenbart deutliche Unterschiede

 

Googles gestern veröffentlichter Open-Source-Browser Chrome hat in ersten Tests eine deutlich bessere Leistung bei der Verarbeitung von JavaScript gezeigt als die etablierten Browser Internet Explorer, Firefox und Safari. In einem von Google angebotenen JavaScript-Benchmark erreicht Chrome mehr als 1500 Punkte, während der Internet Explorer 7, der Internet Explorer 8, Firefox 3.01 und Safari 3.1.2 jeweils deutlich unter 500 Punkten liegen.

 

Google chrome works faster than IE, Firefox and safari
 CNET News.com September in 2008, 09:57

Googles yesterday published Open Source browser to chrome a clearly better achievement by the processing of JavaScript than the established browsers has shown in the first tests Internet Explorer, Firefox and safari. In a JavaScript-Benchmark offered by Google reaches to chrome more than 1500 points, while the Internet Explorer 7 to which Internet Explorer 8, Firefox 3.01 and safari lies 3.1.2 in each case clearly less than 500 points.