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hurla64

I can safely say I will never become a paying member of this site. There is a disease of unsportsmanly behavior here.

1. So many times I have checked my games on this site with a computer afterwards, only to find that my opponent had been using an engine. Nothing ever happens to them as I see them again and again.

2.When you win a game here people are desperate to rematch you. They will keep rematching you until you lose. Then they will promptly refuse you a rematch.

3. Verbal abuse is rampant.

erik

1. we do a pretty good job of catching cheaters. at your rating you shouldn't be finding many. 

2. that isn't something we can control. i recommend you build a list of friends and good opponents and keep playing with them!

3. you can always disable chat, or only allow chat with friends. 

this site is made up of people, and there are a lot of jerks out there. we cannot control their behavior - we can only give you tools to help you manage them. it's a lot like real life.... :/

sorry!

AndyRichter
erik wrote:

1. we do a pretty good job of catching cheaters.

[ Citation needed ]

This is a completely unverifiable claim.

heinzie

chess.com has the best chess community in the world, so you'd better get used to all the jerks, that's just what normal chess players are like

RonaldJosephCote

          Hula64;  Instead of complaining as a non paying member. Would you care to be a mod??  Could YOU put up with all those people??   I know I'm computer illeterate, but how do you find out that your opponent is useing an engine??

hurla64
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

          Hula64;  Instead of complaining as a non paying member. Would you care to be a mod??  Could YOU put up with all those people??   I know I'm computer illeterate, but how do you find out that your opponent is useing an engine??

So many times I've been playing someone around the same rating as me, only to find that I am crushed. When I download the game to analyze where I went wrong, I find that all my opponents moves coincide with the best computer moves. That is plain cheating.

hurla64
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hurla64
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

          Hula64;  Instead of complaining as a non paying member. Would you care to be a mod??  Could YOU put up with all those people??   I know I'm computer illeterate, but how do you find out that your opponent is useing an engine??

I'd hate to be a mod, and that's my point. There seems to be a very high amount of nastiness on this site, to an extent that I never found on the other major competitor programs/sites. Chess.com, you need to start banning people for abuse whether they pay or not. They only keep doing it because there is no punishment.

RonaldJosephCote

             Your right, I apologize. But thank you for clearing that up. 

NinjaBob
AndyRichter wrote:
erik wrote:

1. we do a pretty good job of catching cheaters.

[ Citation needed ]

This is a completely unverifiable claim.

You are somewhat correct, but what can he do? Everyone stop picking on this great site.

RonaldJosephCote

           Andy must have some kind of gripp with Eric. In 10 minutes, in 3 threads, Eric answered 3 questions, and Andy attacked all 3 answers.

Bardu

I think the idea is with free accounts given to new users, sockpuppets and cheaters alike, it's just really not possible to keep up with all the cheaters, and thus, discussion of the topic is banned.

Daniel_Pi
hurla64 wrote: I'd hate to be a mod, and that's my point. There seems to be a very high amount of nastiness on this site, to an extent that I never found on the other major competitor programs/sites. Chess.com, you need to start banning people for abuse whether they pay or not. They only keep doing it because there is no punishment.

I don't think there's nastiness. I think the excess is completely in the other direction, and I'm glad to hear Erik say they're going the other way on that. People are what people are. It isn't chess.com's job to fix them or "manage" them or "educate" them or "punish" them.

You need to deal with it. I once played a USCF tournament, where a guy claimed I was "cheating" because I had a cold, and I was sniffling, which he said was distracting, and he demanded that we replay the game at a later date (the tournament director laughed him off). Another time, I played against a kid, who did this whole play-acting thing to make it seem like he was really considering his next move, because I had forgotten to punch the clock, and he was hoping I'd time-out thinking that it was his move. He was being a real little prick about it. Yet another time, I played against a guy who when he got into time trouble started using both hands (one hand on the clock, the other hand moving pieces -- which is against the rules). 

People are jerks. They've got bad sportsmanship, bad attitudes. So what? You deal with it. You don't ask the powers that be to take your side and "punish" people. They may have a problem with you, too, you know? Grow up and deal with it. I am sick of whiny people not able to deal with things anymore. Someone was rude to you? Deal with it. That's life. Maybe if your mommy didn't coddle you so much when you were a child, you'd have a more realistic outlook. But as it is, you should try to learn how to toughen up now. If people like you had their way, the whole world would be childproofed and sterilized. 

littledragons

@Daniel good point. But a little bit flawed. There is a reason we have the law and lock people up. Small things are ok. Offending someone once or twice can be chalked up to human error. No big deal. Endless abuse is a pattern, you don't have to deal with it. You change it, you correct, you educate. This was the stance that was taken with bullies in schools. Just deal with it, or that is life, until there were a few suicides; and not just in the States.

So even though we have to grow up and deal with our personal misfortunes and the occasional rudeness of others, systematic abuse is not something that has to be indulged in. My view is effing learn to treat other people with respect.

RonaldJosephCote

              Daniel;  I agree with what you said about people whinning about everything, but the mods need to have some kind of control. And they don't need to explain or justify their actions to the members. If they talk to Eric in private, and explain why a person was silenced, fine. If people don't like that, then go start your own site.

Bardu

That is interesting, Daniel_Pi. I have encountered many rude people as well in my lifetime. Human nature is such as it is. I think it is best to plan accordingly, whereas it sounds like you prefer laissez-faire approach, which is where we disagree.

At a bar, on Facebook, on Chess.com, and other generally unmoderated environments, I have encountered alot of this nastiness. These people flock to and thrive in these uncontrolled environments.

In the workplace, in school, on a moderated forum, etc. there are standards of maturity and intelligence and I have rarely encountered such nastiness.

RonaldJosephCote

       littledragons;  thank you. I don't know how to deal with Daniel. He's a lawyer. In another post last week, he said he didn't like any kind of enforced behavior. I'm thinking, "Where the hell do you live"? All societies have had police dept.

u412364

I've been rude on-line and I regret it, and do not want to do it again.  I think people are shielded by anonymity and so find it easier to be rude.

JustinJ_FairfieldU

The point here isn't that people are nasty and that we have to deal with them.  That's life and we all know it.  But the fact is that chess.com has, in my experience, a lot more nasty people then their competitors.  By in large I think its because chess.com has no enforced policy against threats, bullying, etc.  Other places do.

littledragons
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

       littledragons;  thank you. I don't know how to deal with Daniel. He's a lawyer. In another post last week, he said he didn't like any kind of enforced behavior. I'm thinking, "Where the hell do you live"? All societies have had police dept.

I think he means the 'nanny state', where everything is monitored. How you drink your tea, what fork you use, how you look, what you wear, what you say, how your accent sounds, what views you hold: you get judged for it, and either included or excluded for such superficial things.

Or people reacting overemotionally if you say I don't like such and such thing, or if you say something about guns or abortion. No to divas and drama queens!

That kind of incessant monitoring can be exhausting and suffocating, so I understand his view.

But people  being generally nasty many times is not something that has to be put up with.