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wolfgang3423

Jan 6, 2008

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#81

yahoo chess is calling many ppl back

cmh0114

Jan 6, 2008

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#82

liammor wrote:

I wasn't allowed to go 'on vacation' as it was my move in some of the games - the reason I wanted go 'on vacation' anyway. Hence I lost the games.

But as someone who does not abuse the vacation facility (I have as yet taken no vacation days at all)

Hang on. You say that you want to take a vacation because it's your move in some of your games, then say that you never abuse the vacation option. Sorry if I'm not seeing something, but that sounds a bit off to me.

cmh0114

Jan 6, 2008

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#83

Maybe it should be a rule that you have to tell your opponent ahead of time that you have to go on vacation. Say, three days or so? And if you don't, your opponent could flag you as having an "unexcused vacation of x days," and that would show up in your profile and when someone challenged you. Every time you had an unexcused vacation, it would add another line: "Unexcused vacation of 5 days. Unexcused vacation of 2 days. etc." After a certain amount of time, the line would disappear. That way, honest players who forgot to mention it to their opponent would not be punished. At least, not for long. But people who do abuse vaccation would have lines popping up everywhere and no one would play them for a while. Maybe there could even be a setting where players who have more than 5 or so unexcused vacations wouldn't be able to play for a certain amount of times. I realize this would cause some inconvienence for the honest players, but hopefully not too much. What do you think?

jay

Jan 6, 2008

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#84

Well, except that I really like the current ability of putting yourself on vacation because you don't know when you'll next be able to get onto a computer. For instance, right now my wife is going to have a baby at any minute. Once she does I'll put myself onto vacation, and then if they happen to have wireless at the hospital I might make a few moves while I'm there. :) So the ability to come and go on vacation is kinda nice, and I've heard lots of other people use vacation this way also.

jimr

Jan 7, 2008

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#85

one idea would be to have vacation mode in two stages...you can enter vacation mode when it's your move, but it doesn't actually take effect until you have moved in each game. in other words, vacation mode would be on a game-by-game basis...after you declare vacation mode, you don't go into vacation for that game until you have moved. once you move, your opponent can't move until you come out of vacation. that way, you can take as much time as you need to make the moves in all your games. but the vacation clock starts ticking right away, to prevent abuse of being "halfway" in vacation without actually using vacation time.

Wood13

Mar 10, 2008

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#86

lol same here liammor

DrB127

Mar 10, 2008

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#87

I think that once the game is started it should be finished in a timely manner. Some do go on vacation and are away from their computers and for that I feel the players should have equal agreement to a vacation or just play out the game as if it were live. If someone asked to play out a game because they were going on vacation,then by all means play it out. Any vacation abuse is childish anyway. Maybe yahoo chess is more there style.

Loomis

Mar 10, 2008

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#88

jimr wrote: one idea would be to have vacation mode in two stages...you can enter vacation mode when it's your move, but it doesn't actually take effect until you have moved in each game. Once you move, your opponent can't move until you come out of vacation. that way, you can take as much time as you need to make the moves in all your games. but the vacation clock starts ticking right away.

I like this idea. Whenever I need to go on vacation, I have to set aside time to make a move in all my games. This has not been very difficult because I only play about 10 games. But even in that case, I can imagine taking 3-5 minutes per game to decide on a move and by the time I've moved in each game some of my opponents have moved. This problem would be intractable for me if I needed to go on vacation but it was my move in 30 games.

It would be better if you start vacation and then you have one day to make a move in each game. That way you can set your vacation status one day in advance if you like and catch up on all your games. Of course, you could still use vacation the same way it is now with this change.

kohai

Mar 10, 2008

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#89

Are you taking into consideration the fact that some do genuinely have family emergencies and don't have time to explain to all of their opponents why they have had to mark themselves as on vacation ? Not everyone abuses vacation time, and no-one can foresee emergencies of any kind.

NM TheOldReb

Mar 11, 2008

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#90

kohai wrote: Are you taking into consideration the fact that some do genuinely have family emergencies and don't have time to explain to all of their opponents why they have had to mark themselves as on vacation ? Not everyone abuses vacation time, and no-one can foresee emergencies of any kind.

I simply do not believe that in a real emergency anyone is going to care about their games on chess.com. I know I wouldn't.

kohai

Mar 11, 2008

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#91

Excatly NMReb - i know some people in my area, over the last 8 months, who got badly affected by flooding and lost almost everything. Last thing they are concerned about is getting online to make a chess move.

Loomis

Mar 11, 2008

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#92

Reb, that's exactly the point. In an emergency situation, you should be afforded the ability to not care about your games while you deal with the emergency. You should just be able to click vacation and forget about it rather than have to make a move in every game. Oh, that's not what you were getting at?

excalibur8

Mar 11, 2008

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#93

Vacation time is about spending some time away from the board, however you wish to spend it; for heaven's sake don't try and complicate matters.

checkmayte

Mar 11, 2008

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#94

Nothing is "FOOL PROOF" Hence the vacation rule will never work for everybody all the time, The trick is to use in a way that best suits you as an individual..

bigmac30

Mar 11, 2008

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#95

vacation is still limeted but i only have public acsess computer if the library shuts i cant play that is why i dont pay games less than 3 days 5 to 7 is my preference

clajoh

Jun 10, 2008

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#96

It amazes me that people can go on vacation during a tournament, but sign in while on vacation and still not move, at least not against me. Usually people know in advance that they will require time away, barring emergencies, and could post a comment advising people of their situation. Vacation simply extends tournament time unnecessarily in my view.

liammor

Jun 11, 2008

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#97

jimr wrote: one idea would be to have vacation mode in two stages...you can enter vacation mode when it's your move, but it doesn't actually take effect until you have moved in each game. in other words, vacation mode would be on a game-by-game basis...after you declare vacation mode, you don't go into vacation for that game until you have moved. once you move, your opponent can't move until you come out of vacation. that way, you can take as much time as you need to make the moves in all your games. but the vacation clock starts ticking right away, to prevent abuse of being "halfway" in vacation without actually using vacation time.

I haven't posted on this since about January as I didn't think it was going anywhere productive and was ending up as another internet insult fest. Sadly some people took my few criticisms of the vacation rules as proof of my sinister malevolence towards this site, the admins, my fellow opponents and no doubt internet chess itself.

But then again as I started it all.....

I think jimr's suggestion is excellent and would certainly cover my concerns about needing to take vacation time unexpectedly without radically changing the whole vacation idea. What do you all think?

Oh and all ye of that inclination can start firing insults and accusations and do your calling of names thing cause we're thousands of miles apart and safely anonymous!!!

grensley

Jun 11, 2008

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#98

i had to leave for a trip a couple of weekends ago and it was going to be about 15 minutes after I got home from school. I didn't know that the rules had changed, and I'll the sudden I had to try and make 35 moves in less than 10 minutes (I spent a couple trying to get to the vacation screen, I'm an idiot sometimes). Needless to say, many were NOT quality moves, as I found out when I returned from my vacation.

TheWorm

Jan 30, 2009

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#99

I tried to use vacation when I came down with stomach flu, but couldn't since it was my turn in a game. I had good winning chances but lost on time because I couldn't go on vacation.

einstein_69101

Jan 30, 2009

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#100

This forum is pretty old dating back to Dec of 2007. :) Here is an idea for a vacation rule. Non-paying members do not have time out protection so they must manually set themselves 'on vacation' when they want to leave for an extended period of time. But they can't do this until they make a move in all of their games that are waiting for them to move. Sometimes opponents are online and they make a move in reply to the non-paying member moves. In other words, it can be difficult sometimes for those wanting to go on vacation but can't due to their opponents keep making moves. Instead of the rule saying that it cannot be your move in any games it can say you can set your status to 'on vacation' if in all of your games where it is your turn to move the opponent's move is no more than 30 minutes old (or some other time limit). This will give those some time to make one move in every game and then set their status to 'on vacation' rather than try to hurry and hope that your opponent doesn't move while you are setting your status. :) It is only a thought.

This would have no effect on me so this is only a thought for the non-paying members while keeping the current rules. :) Also, I have no idea of the difficulty in programming the change in vacation rules. :)