Why are Chess Coaches So Expensive

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Laskersnephew

$30xhour times five lessons a day = $150. 5x$150 =$750 a week times 50 weeks a year = an annual income of $37,500. In some countries, that's a pretty good income, but in Western Europe or the United States, that is below the median annual income

nklristic
Laskersnephew wrote:

$30xhour times five lessons a day = $150. 5x$150 =$750 a week times 50 weeks a year = an annual income of $37,500. In some countries, that's a pretty good income, but in Western Europe or the United States, that is below the median annual income

Correct, though people generally work 8 hours a day, and I would guess that even in the USA a median hourly rate is below 30 $.

Of course, it is probably very difficult to have enough clients to work 8 hours a day as a coach.

As for me, I am all for them to be able to work as coaches without having to have an additional job. They worked hard on their chess and it should provide for their existence in ideal case. That is of course, only my subjective view on the matter.

Ubik42
Well another idea for you coaches out there, I did after school classes in local schools. $15/hour x 8 kids = $120/hour. Most public schools now have after school enrichment programs. For private schools you can just get paid directly from the parents.

Of course you would be limited to at most one of these a day. But it’s a better time investment.
Laskersnephew

I agree with some--but not all--of your points.

I think eight hours of giving chess lessons each day would be an exhausting, perhaps unsustainable workload. At least if the coach is conscientious. and really works with each student

$30 an hour is about double the minimum wage in the United States, but it's a lot less than what doctors, lawyers, or other professionals make. It's also less than experienced computer programmers, or even private music teachers make.

 

Ubik42
I was approached a few times for 1v1 coaching, but I never went for that. First of all I didn’t want to do this full time, but more relevantly what I would have to charge to make it worth my while was more than I thought I was worth 1 on 1, if that makes any sense!
Laskersnephew

It does make sense, but you may be undervaluing yourself!

loudomvis

I’ve improved my chess by simply watching free YouTube videos. 

Ubik42
There is a metric ton of free quality material out there now.
Ziryab
Ubik42 wrote:
I was approached a few times for 1v1 coaching, but I never went for that. First of all I didn’t want to do this full time, but more relevantly what I would have to charge to make it worth my while was more than I thought I was worth 1 on 1, if that makes any sense!

 

What makes coaching worthwhile is not the money. I've earned from $15 to $35 per hour, plus a bit more teaching group classes. It buys a few chess books and an occasional bottle of Scotch. The work is often very satisfying, especially when my students do well in tournaments.

ChampoftheBepoCamp
btickler wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:

homeless people playing chess in the park?   Never heard of that.   They are probably charging rich white people cash money to play with them.   LOL.    Personally I never met anyone in real life that plays regularly.   In fact to get to a tournament level having a coach is probably almost always necessary.

You need to get out more.

I have never seen any chess outside in downtown or whatever like never, I see the crafts folk and the statue fellers but never chess dudes

Ziryab
ChampoftheCommieCamp wrote:
btickler wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:

homeless people playing chess in the park?   Never heard of that.   They are probably charging rich white people cash money to play with them.   LOL.    Personally I never met anyone in real life that plays regularly.   In fact to get to a tournament level having a coach is probably almost always necessary.

You need to get out more.

I have never seen any chess outside in downtown or whatever like never, I see the crafts folk and the statue fellers but never chess dudes

 Seattle


My city


Ziryab

Also my city. The Spokane Chess Club in-person again, summer 2021



joselito_rivera2

A coach can guide you and saves you and maximize a lot of time. I learn with chess books and I had some "useless" years by trial an error. If I am to coach or pass my knowledge I would eliminate those useless things that I did.

Ziryab
CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
ChampoftheCommieCamp wrote:
btickler wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:

homeless people playing chess in the park?   Never heard of that.   They are probably charging rich white people cash money to play with them.   LOL.    Personally I never met anyone in real life that plays regularly.   In fact to get to a tournament level having a coach is probably almost always necessary.

You need to get out more.

I have never seen any chess outside in downtown or whatever like never, I see the crafts folk and the statue fellers but never chess dudes

 Seattle


My city


So your chess club meeting in the park proves me wrong?  My own personal life experience similar to everyone I've ever known?   Are you trying to convince yourself or others at this point?  lol

 

It challenges your claim that your experience is typical. Someone told you to get out more. That seems apropos.

A couple of my friends at a fast food place near my house. They've been meeting in this burger place with others for nearly twenty years. During some remodeling while closed for COVID, the owner had eight tables refinished to feature chessboards. 


Ziryab

@CooloutAC

I noticed a few days ago that all your posts disappeared in a couple of threads. I have a couple of questions about this.

Did you delete them because they embarrassed you?
Did chess.com delete them because they violated the TOS (and I count at least four ways that might be the case)?
In either course, why are you now pursuing the same course?

Ziryab
CooloutAC wrote:

    You putting down blitz and putting down low rated players,  

 

Once again. If you want to argue, you need to read better.

I'm not putting down blitz. I'm observing that luck is dominant when moves are made too fast with no board vision. Such moves appear to be random, rather than made with purpose.

I've played more blitz on other sites, but I've played a few games here. Lately, I've been making too many random moves and my luck turned against me.



Ziryab
CooloutAC wrote:

  But not luck as part of the game design.  

 

This is a true statement.

 

Nothing else you've wrote today is.

Ubik42
Ziryab….yes I agree the best payback from coaching is the satisfaction. especially in watching the kids in their first tournaments. Is why I got involved in the first place!

But I get a full class of that, and I have my own kids to be with when they get home from school.

And also for 1 on 1 coaching I really think they will need a master sooner rather than later. I just help get them started on their first tournaments.
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If the coach in question lives in the US, Canada, Western Europe or any other location with comparable cost of living, 30 dollars for an hour of one on one teaching is actually not that much at all. I would imagine it would be on the lower end of the spectrum.