I don't know how to do Q vs R endgame, but I think when most start out, bishop and knight would be harder. I practice Bishop and knight by putting those peices on random positions on the board and playing against the computer.
Do you think the Queen vs Rook endgame is harder than Bishop and knight?
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20 days ago
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#24
I've never had to perform either in a game before, but I think that Queen vs Rook seems to be a lot harder to manage.
The Bishop and Knight mate involves almost zero counterplay from the opposing side because it's just the king, so all you have to do is memorize a few patterns and you're good to go.
On the other hand, a Queen vs Rook endgame has plenty of ways to go sideways because the rook's existence gives the opposing side a lot of defensive and counterattacking options, so you have to be much more careful.
20 days ago
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#25
Earlier( a week ago) I said that I didn't know how to do Q v R and that it Bishop and knight mate would be harder. I now started learning Q vs R on a chessable course and it is way harder than B and N.
19 days ago
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#28
Bivgc wrote:
Earlier( a week ago) I said that I didn't know how to do Q v R and that it Bishop and knight mate would be harder. I now started learning Q vs R on a chessable course and it is way harder than B and N.
If you are learning the Q v R ending, I would recommend looking up the online video series by Derek Grimmell.
Practicing this against a computer can be challenging as it knows how to play strong defense and make things difficult. In practical play few players know how to play strong defenses, which makes winning this endgame easier.
That’s a very good question if you have a bishop and knight endgame it would be impossible to checkmate the so the queen and rook endgame is possible to checkmate the king
19 days ago
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#31
Diana1160 wrote:
That’s a very good question if you have a bishop and knight endgame it would be impossible to checkmate the so the queen and rook endgame is possible to checkmate the king
Bishop + Knight checkmate is possible though; it’s just difficult to learn. You can see me do 5 of these B+N checkmates in under a minute: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/v_ox8Ea0aqE
18 days ago
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#32
Diana1160 wrote:
That’s a very good question if you have a bishop and knight endgame it would be impossible to checkmate the so the queen and rook endgame is possible to checkmate the king
Here is example. I don't believe it is the fewest moves as I have some slight trouble forcing to the wrong corner in the fewest moves sometimes, but once I have you in the wrong corner it is easy peasy. There are actually 2 methods. The W-method, describing the knight's maneuver while dragging the king from wrong to right corner, which is what this example is, and the shrinking triangles method, which I do not know.
This example sees the king be driven from h8 to a8. Depending on piece location, and which color Bishop you have, there are 8 possibilities and it just involve flipping and rotating. It could also be a8 to h8, h8 to h1, h1 to h8, h1 to a1, a1 to h1, a1 to a8, or a8 to a1. The place you mate him will always be a corner that matches the color squares the bishop is on, so you can eliminate 4 of the 8 possibilities right off the bat based on whether you have a dark square or light square bishop. Again, same process, just flip and rotate. Like the W could be c2-d4-e2-f4-g2, or b6-d5-b4-d3-b2, etc.
EDIT - Sorry, but a typo to the note to Black's 28th move. If he tries to run back with 28...Kf8, then 29.Nd7+ Ke8 and now 30.Ke6! (NOT 30.Ke4 as the typo shows).
Q vs R definitely
15 days ago
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#35
QvR is way harder. so hard that ill never take the time to learn it probably. B+N takes a few hours at most
14 days ago
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#36
Marshall7593 wrote:
QvR is way harder. so hard that ill never take the time to learn it probably. B+N takes a few hours at most
Q vs R is really tough; so much so, that against engines, I’m not that confident in my ability to convert either. From the resource-gathering I’ve done, this video of mine is what I believe to be the best starting off point and the video is under 20 minutes. It’s going to take lots of practice and pattern recognition from here, but this offers the main themes I’m aware of for this endgame:
https://youtu.be/WdbS6hA5Rak?si=0n4G_LLUr-r7GkBA
14 days ago
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#37
Yes, I still can't do it against the computer, but bishop and knight I somehow mastered after learning only 1 pattern. Bishop and Knight forcing the king to the edge of the board into said pattern is much easier than the complex zugzwang calculations required in Queen vs Rook. Bishop and Knight I can beat the computer in under 40 moves nearly every time.
13 days ago
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#38
Also, btw you saw the link to a blog that I made explaining the procedure, right?
Queen vs rook, Nepo drew to Magnus Carlsen when he had the queen.