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jetoba
DefenderPug2 wrote:

 

This is how I would solve it.

Interesting.

It does allow Black to force a draw with different moves for 3, 4 and 8.  It also allows Black to maintain the draw it could already force with the moves it played on 5, 6 and 7.

 

When Black is played inaccurately it is easy to find a win for White.

appu1123

Hi

magnuskillermove
Draw
jetoba
magnuskillermove wrote:
Draw

If white plays as inaccurately as two of the respondents have analyzed.  A third has the accurate method or White to win.

Sack_o_Potatoes

 

 

jetoba

Sack of Potatoes post (#28) has Black throwing away the draw on move 8 (Ke7 draws), White throwing away the win on move 10 (Kf6 wins) and Black throwing away the draw on move 11 (Ke8 draws).

If you depend on the defender misplaying the position then even poor moves can work out for the attacker.

ThrillerFan
DefenderPug2 wrote:

 

This is how I would solve it.

 

You would be wrong then.

1.e3?? Is already a draw.

Your 4th move for Black is wrong!  4...Ke5 draws!

 

There are 2 and only 2 correct answers.

1.Kd2 or 1.Kf2 works.  Nothing else does.

 

White must get his King to the 4th rank with the pawn still on e2.  If it is on e3, Black draws with opposition.

 

With the pawn left alone on e2, once you reach the position of BKe6, WKe4, Wpe2 with White to move, you have the move e3!, gaining the opposition necessary to win the game!

torshaaa

WHite wins by-

1.Kd2-Kf7. 2. Ke3-Ke6. 3. Ke4-Kd6. 4.Kf5-Kd5. 5.e4-Kd6 6.Kf6-Kd7 7.e5-Ke8. 8.Ke6-Kf8  9.Kd7 Kf7 10. e6-Kf8 11.e7-Kf7 12.E8=Q+ (+-)

 

By Torsha Kundu, 2011, India.

 
 

 

archaja

If black to move, it´s a draw. The BlackKing just stays in front of the pawn and prevent the white King to come in front of the pawn with opposition. If it´s white move than be more than careful with checks of the black king. You have to move more with the King (shure, King in front of the pawn). In the example of NaranjoManuel2010 move 5 e5+ is the big mistake. Now the white King is never going in front of the pawn (6. ... Ke6 and it´s a draw) (Rule for Black: Stay on the same line as the white pawn or stay in opposition to the white King). In DefenderPug2 it´s move 4. e4+. Why should black go to g5? He will go to e5 and again it´s a draw. White will never manage to come in front of his pawn. Always be careful with pawn moves, they never come back wink.png

archaja

Jetoba wrote "When Black is played inaccurately it is easy to find a win for White." I would say, the very opposite is true: If white playes accurately it is definitely a win for white, no matte what black is doing.

PLAYERIII

How to win… 

 

You need to move your king first. You can note that the king’s opposition is pointed for black, but the e-pawn will make the difference.

 

 

 
Note that moving the e-pawn too early  will give black enough time to draw and grab the opposition.
 
White will need to use his king and pawn to remove the black’s king from the e-file and force it away from the pawn.
ThrillerFan

And something post 36 left out is why the pawn must remain on e2.

 

After 1.Kd2 Kd8 (instead of 2...Kd7 - Now BLACK has the opposition) 2.Kd3 Kd7 3.Kd4 Kd6 4.Ke4 Ke6 and then here is the kicker ... 5.e3!!.  The opposition now belongs to White.  5...Kf6 6.Kd5 or 5...Kd6 6.Kf5.  In both cases, White wins!

RocioDM

its sooooo easy

matvey-koz

Keep your king in front of the pawn

HarshSaberTwitch
jetoba wrote:

Sack of Potatoes post (#28) has Black throwing away the draw on move 8 (Ke7 draws), White throwing away the win on move 10 (Kf6 wins) and Black throwing away the draw on move 11 (Ke8 draws).

If you depend on the defender misplaying the position then even poor moves can work out for the attacker.

In @Sack_o_Potatoes's variation the black king started on e7 instead of e8, so the game is drawn from the start.

jetoba
HarshSaberTwitch wrote:
jetoba wrote:

Sack of Potatoes post (#28) has Black throwing away the draw on move 8 (Ke7 draws), White throwing away the win on move 10 (Kf6 wins) and Black throwing away the draw on move 11 (Ke8 draws).

If you depend on the defender misplaying the position then even poor moves can work out for the attacker.

In @Sack_o_Potatoes's variation the black king started on e7 instead of e8, so the game is drawn from the start.

Yes, the first error I listed was Black throwing away the draw, not White throwing away the win.  Yet the analysis made it look like a White win.  Either bad analysis or trolling.

ChessSetrooks

think before you act  happy.png 

MARattigan

If it's Black to play you don't.

macfroze

Only a person who totally has no idea how to play chess would lose in whites situation

ren97ren

White always wins because the pawn can move two spaces