avoiding stalemate

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whaateever
So, I am pretty new to chess and already learned about castling, not being allowed to castle when checked and en passant. But today, I learned about stalemate and a match ending in a draw when it occurs.. So I had 3 Queens, a Knight and some pawns left and only his King remained. And that's a draw............ That's pretty frustrating and how can I avoid stalemate next time? Just checkmate him when he still has some moveable pieces on the board I guess? Or can I checkmate him too, when he has only the King left? Shouldn't be possible, right?
omnipaul

For the most part, you just need to spend an extra second or two to make sure you're not stalemating your opponent - especially since "stalemate tricks" are ways that your opponent might try to swindle you of your win.

Once you learn the basic checkmates better, you shouldn't ever need more than two queens, and even then, the second queen is probably superfluous.

On the other hand, getting extra queens just makes it more likely that you'll accidentally stalemate your opponent.  If you don't need to promote a pawn, then just checkmate with what you have.  The threat of the promotion is probably stronger than the promotion itself, so just keep the possibility in reserve for when you really need it.

omnipaul
omnipaul

I haven't looked too closely at the game to see all the places you would have had quicker checkmates, but I will point out one.

After you get the second queen, you have what I've heard referred to as the "Rook-Rolling" technique.  It only requires two rooks, but can be used (and is easier) with two queens.

After 66. ... g1=Q+

67. Kb4

You had the very simple

67. ... Qgg2

68. K any Qd1

69. K any Qgc2

70. K any Qdb1

71. K any Qca2#

 



omnipaul

Also, it looks like after 40. f4, you should have taken the f4 pawn, then put the bishop onto e5 (to protect the rook and the a1 square, then snapped off their a pawn and promoted your own.  Simple and avoids possible stalemate tricks since the king has nearly the entire first rank to stay on.  Since the rook covers a2 and the bishop covers a1, he won't even have a chance to take the pawn.

 



whaateever

Thanks. I just liked the idea of having 3 Queens. At my last move I actually just had to move 1 square further.. I am not that good at checkmating tbh and I know there are drills, but they don't really helped me. Gotta make sure next time it doesn't happen again... x) How do I embed my games in the Forum like you did btw? (I'm using the Android App)

omnipaul

I'm not sure how to do it on the app.  I presume it is possible, I just don't use the app often enough to know.

On the website, there is a little button whose icon looks like a chessboard.  Click on that and it takes you to a wizard that will lead you through posting a game, diagram, or puzzle.

omnipaul

I understand it can be fun having multiple queens.  But, after a while, it just makes your opponent think you don't know how to win and just makes them more likely to try to trick you into stalemating them.

When you have such an overwhelming material advantage, just restrict their king to a few squares or trap them on the back rank, then use checks to finish them off.  You can't stalemate them if you're checking them every move. 

Or, just don't restrict them all the way down to one square if you're not ready to checkmate them.  Give them two or three squares to move between and use a check to cover all of them - say leave them a diagonal and check with a bishop or knight, or leave them a horizontal/vertical line and check with a rook or queen.

BlueKnightShade
omnipaul wrote:
... You can't stalemate them if you're checking them every move. 

...

I strongly second that.

With that much material, 3 queens, against a lonely king the risk of running into a stalemate if you make a move without giving a check is simply too big. Give checks until you reach a checkmate.

With 3 queens on the board the chances of running into the 50 move rule before a checkmate happens is almost non-existent. You still need to be alert to the 3-fold repetition rule, but I think it is very easy to avoid with 3 queens.

AChessPlayer2016

3 queens is a risk because it makes you use the "check or draw" strategy.

2 queens only gives a small risk.

1 queen is enough to checkmate.

FeldyJones

I stalemated today with a great advantage. It hurt me deep....

2RawTito

I keep stalemating here... >.< MY GOD IS IT FRUSTRAUTING . I guess mate is when i move a piece and he runs out of options. But i feel like its the same when a stalemate happens. AND GOD It pisses me off. IDK how to stop that. They'll run around with there king

Arisktotle

As long as you check your opponents king it can't be stalemate!

IMKeto
2RawTito wrote:

I keep stalemating here... >.< MY GOD IS IT FRUSTRAUTING . I guess mate is when i move a piece and he runs out of options. But i feel like its the same when a stalemate happens. AND GOD It pisses me off. IDK how to stop that. They'll run around with there king



2RawTito

Thank you , i understand now that you dont need more pieces . Just have to know what to play to win the checkmate. Thank you !

IMKeto
2RawTito wrote:

Thank you , i understand now that you dont need more pieces . Just have to know what to play to win the checkmate. Thank you !

This is why its important to learn the basic mates:

KQ vs. K

KR vs. K

KRR vs. K

 

DogLover4Ever

In end game, really double check. When your winning, you DON'T want stalemate. Just double or triple checking is the key.

2RawTito

Yeah i found out the hard way , but im learning ! happy.png

k666609

When I am in a position where I am very likely to loose the match and want to  'steal' a remise ending its better to let te opponent have many (>2) pieces on the board as long you prevent king standing mate actually?

CoolPineAppleMan

Avoid stalemate is really easy just don't get 3 queens. You don't need that much material to checkmate.  And you can move your other pieces(like your knight) away to make it easier.