Bishop, Knight & King versus King.

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Pawnpusher3 wrote:

On ICC the rating for the mate is 2200. I definitely say that's reasonable. It is just the fact that once you learn it, you know it for life. I could teach you guys it in probably about 10 minutes if you were interested.


I learned it and carried it out in a game. But have probably forgotten it now.

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He probably wanted o take the opportunity to do the bishop and knight mate.
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RainbowRising wrote:
jetfighter13 wrote:

were those underpromotions necasary?!?


No.


See http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/survey-how-do-you-treat-non-resigners

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I think we have spoiled a little the thread Undecided

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I've been in BNK vs. K thirteen times. I've won on time, drawn on time, and lost on time. The only time the mate was executed was this artificial situation employing underpromotion.

Thirteen sounds like a lot compared to the none that Silman mentions in Silman's Complete Endgame Course, unless you take into account that these thirteen are from a collection of 50,000+ online games, mostly blitz (bullet games do not find their way into this database).

As a youth chess coach, I developed a curriculum/award system emphasizing checkmate and tactical skills. When I first created it, I tried teaching this minor piece checkmate. I've replaced that with the Lucena and Philidor positions. Rook endgames are a feature of every tournament, and immensely practical.

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RainbowRising wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
RainbowRising wrote:
jetfighter13 wrote:

were those underpromotions necasary?!?


No.


See http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/survey-how-do-you-treat-non-resigners


Two Qs is surely more embarrassing - you start with TWO B and TWO Ns, but you can only get two Qs if you are overwhelming winning. Plus, having two queens to his none means you are getting all the action ... ;)


I wouldn't ever seek to embarrass my  opponent, but if he or she feels a need to play on as if the result is in doubt or in order to learn something, I would prefer to use the opportunity to practice minor piece checkmates. Nevertheless, I have more often brought two brides into the game, which leads to rapid mating.

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The main trick to this ending is 'building the box' and then shrinking it to force the lone king into the right corner.

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Thankyou to all.

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I encountered this situation today. I only won because I had way more time than my opponent:

As you can see, I have no solid idea on how to do this. The only thing I could think of was to try and corner the king.

Perhaps the right idea, but the wrong corner. Laughing

This was a 10/0 game.

 

Oh yeah...

bump

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I'm practicing this elementary checkmate again, and showing it to my students.

My play is not perfect, but I move within a few seconds. The plan is to be able to execute this checkmate OTB usining only the time delay.



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If people read about the w theory that was written in mueller and lamperts endgame manual this is fairly easy.

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This ending is very rare . In over 40 years of tournament chess I have only had this ending once .  I have never had the ending of K , B ,B  v lone K .

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Reb wrote:

This ending is very rare . In over 40 years of tournament chess I have only had this ending once .  I have never had the ending of K , B ,B  v lone K .

Do you think one reason could be your higher level of play. Positions are won, lost or drawn considerably sooner than a lower level blitz player who plays to the very end hoping for a mistake and sometimes gets it?

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benonidoni wrote:
Reb wrote:

This ending is very rare . In over 40 years of tournament chess I have only had this ending once .  I have never had the ending of K , B ,B  v lone K .

Do you think one reason could be your higher level of play. Positions are won, lost or drawn considerably sooner than a lower level blitz player who plays to the very end hoping for a mistake and sometimes gets it?

No, I don't think that makes sense - higher-level games are usually "closer." A lower-rated game is more likely to feature early blunders or a more lop-sided affair, and this the chances for an endgame like this would be lower for lower-rated players.

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zezpwn44 wrote:
 A lower-rated game is more likely to feature early blunders or a more lop-sided affair, and this the chances for an endgame like this would be lower for lower-rated players.

IT seems to me that if lower rated players are likely to make early blunders leading to a more lop-sided affair, then the chances of this happening for lower rated games would increase.

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benonidoni wrote:
Reb wrote:

This ending is very rare . In over 40 years of tournament chess I have only had this ending once .  I have never had the ending of K , B ,B  v lone K .

Do you think one reason could be your higher level of play. Positions are won, lost or drawn considerably sooner than a lower level blitz player who plays to the very end hoping for a mistake and sometimes gets it?

Even strong players are usually weak at the beginning.

This ending is indeed very rare. Not only have I never had it personally but I very rarely see it in other peoples games. Right now I can only remember one instance when this ending arouse in a tournament I was participating. Maybe I'm forgetting some other cases but it's definitely not common.

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I know how to checkmate with a B and N. Not that hard.

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MuhammadAreez10 wrote:

I know how to checkmate with a B and N. Not that hard. 

 

 

You must a great sense of humor, it is very hard and had it five time and won all . The first time had this endgame (N+B+K and K) it was a struggle and I won because my opponent did not defend well.

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stanhope13 wrote:

I know its supposed to be possible, but has anyone ever managed to achieve checkmate with just a Bishop , Knight and King against a lone King, bearing in mind the 50 move rule.

i have encountered that and its hectic though i won

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