The 50 move law should be expelled
Except if you were really spiteful you might keep moving pieces around, reject all draw offers, and hope your opponent times out one day or resigns out of sheer frustration... I've heard of even grandmasters doing petty spiteful things OTB, like shaking the table, making loud noises, and having audience members hypnotize the opponent. If GMs will pull off stunts like that, imagine the trolls on chess.com...
If this 50 move rule was gone can we be sure the rule to replace it would be better. Becareful what you ask for. Better be very specific.
The 50 move law should be expelled
Except if you were really spiteful you might keep moving pieces around, reject all draw offers, and hope your opponent times out one day or resigns out of sheer frustration... I've heard of even grandmasters doing petty spiteful things OTB, like shaking the table, making loud noises, and having audience members hypnotize the opponent. If GMs will pull off stunts like that, imagine the trolls on chess.com...
i like that hypnotize your opponent..now that's a G.M. ability i could really use to win some games-----close your eyes,thats right sac, the queen and resign because of your mistake !!
You have to have some kind of limit to guard against those opponents who will just go on & on....
50 moves seems as good a limit as any to me! One of my secret nightmares is having to mate an opponent with just a bishop & knight & I think that would take me quite a few moves.
Anyway, is a rule truly a rule if you can suspend it- isn't that just 'guidance' or a 'convention' ?
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This one which i did not ever hear of in my entire life. Man i should have 0 where it says draws. But it is my fault for checking how it is done here. Man when did these rules come into play and who created them?
Draw by threefold repetition is as old as the hills...
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This one which i did not ever hear of in my entire life. Man i should have 0 where it says draws. But it is my fault for checking how it is done here. Man when did these rules come into play and who created them?
Draw by threefold repetition is as old as the hills...
Aahhhhh i said consecutive!
When i learned to play Chess it was the 21 move rule.
50 moves is like a life time. Even 21 is too much.
That's a "kiddy rule", like free money in Monopoly. When I was a schoolboy it was worse: 21 ply (10 1/2 moves). Even KQ v K is hard for beginners under that restriction.
"Even KQ v K is hard" lol
Hmmmm i think you are really referencing yourself. Monopoly is not on the same level as chess where a player rolls dice with some random number(luck). "When i was a school boy" How do we know it is still not worse for you? Now way to prove it.
Ok maybe you can.? I know this middle school with a bunch of kids that play may play that game. In your case better stay away from the boys they might get to rough for you. Try the girls as they might get intimidated by you........... not!
Well when i first started playing i was taught how to be Draw Master in almost all situations i was losing. (Cheap) Not my fault,did not know any better at the time.
We still have some around on with books and etc on the topic not sure if you have even 7 days to come back and look it over several times to avoid it. Best way maybe to avoid it is be in a winning position before the game reaches the End Game. Or have several mate threats that are so serious your opponent can not set up a "Draw Situation".
Hope it does not come down to this one. Buy..... and read a draw book as to learn how to avoid it. Not liking that idea either but if the situation keeps coming up have to do what you have to do here.
When i learned to play Chess it was the 21 move rule.
50 moves is like a life time. Even 21 is too much.
That's a "kiddy rule", like free money in Monopoly. When I was a schoolboy it was worse: 21 ply (10 1/2 moves). Even KQ v K is hard for beginners under that restriction.
"Even KQ v K is hard" lol
Hmmmm i think you are really referencing yourself. Monopoly is not on the same level as chess where a player rolls dice with some random number(luck). "When i was a school boy" How do we know it is still not worse for you? Now way to prove it.
Ok maybe you can.? I know this middle school with a bunch of kids that play may play that game. In your case better stay away from the boys they might get to rough for you. Try the girls as they might get intimidated by you........... not!
Context is everything, dude. I quite clearly made the stipulation that winning with KQ vs K was difficult for beginners under a 21-ply restriction but it looks like you're not really up to whole sentences yet. Give it time.
What you do with middle school kids is your business. My advice: don't make it the police's business.
When i learned to play Chess it was the 21 move rule.
50 moves is like a life time. Even 21 is too much.
That's a "kiddy rule", like free money in Monopoly. When I was a schoolboy it was worse: 21 ply (10 1/2 moves). Even KQ v K is hard for beginners under that restriction.
"Even KQ v K is hard" lol
Hmmmm i think you are really referencing yourself. Monopoly is not on the same level as chess where a player rolls dice with some random number(luck). "When i was a school boy" How do we know it is still not worse for you? Now way to prove it.
Ok maybe you can.? I know this middle school with a bunch of kids that play may play that game. In your case better stay away from the boys they might get to rough for you. Try the girls as they might get intimidated by you........... not!
Context is everything, dude. I quite clearly made the stipulation that winning with KQ vs K was difficult for beginners under a 21-ply restriction but it looks like you're not really up to whole sentences yet. Give it time.
What you do with middle school kids is your business. My advice: don't make it the police's business.
"KQ vs K was difficult for beginners" Ahhh nobody i know had that problem when they first started playing. And you said difficult. That is a favorite of a beginner when they start ... moving the Queen. Obvious you were referencing yourself. lol.
"What you do with middle school kids is your business." that idea never came to my mind but is shows where might be on your mind for you to even bring this up. I think they will be watching their kids around you from this point on. Child friendly area here. Sick that you even brought that up here.
And stop using adult profile kid. The difficluties of Monoply may give you some joy as this is the first time i ever heard the game mentioned on this site. If your looking for a game wrong place. If i see horsey instead of knight in your text this might be interesting.... only for you.
Now i can point you into the direction of some serious competition at your leve. Now look up some Nursing homes (oooh i might have to do that as you might have child resttictions on your search). They have bingo night and are willing to play for some hard cash. Have to warn you kid form what my friend tells me about his grandmom they take no prisoners. So hang on tight it will be a bumpy ride for you. lol And post the results on Bingo site. We play chess here.
You have to have some kind of limit to guard against those opponents who will just go on & on....
50 moves seems as good a limit as any to me! One of my secret nightmares is having to mate an opponent with just a bishop & knight & I think that would take me quite a few moves.
Anyway, is a rule truly a rule if you can suspend it- isn't that just 'guidance' or a 'convention' ?
Yeah.
Apparently, against a rook pawn the technique involves sacrificing a knight (!). The Oxford Companion to Chess provides this nifty mating problem to cap it off:
To be fair, Silman covers this mate on page 75 of "Silman's Complete Endgame Course" in the 1200-1399 section as a 'must know'. It's an easy win 
Apparently, against a rook pawn the technique involves sacrificing a knight (!). The Oxford Companion to Chess provides this nifty mating problem to cap it off:
To be fair, Silman covers this mate on page 75 of "Silman's Complete Endgame Course" in the 1200-1399 section as a 'must know'. It's an easy win
Great to know, i did not even know he even dealt with these type of situations on a draw.
Apparently, against a rook pawn the technique involves sacrificing a knight (!). The Oxford Companion to Chess provides this nifty mating problem to cap it off:
To be fair, Silman covers this mate on page 75 of "Silman's Complete Endgame Course" in the 1200-1399 section as a 'must know'. It's an easy win
Great to know, i did not even know he even dealt with these type of situations on a draw.
This is the specific example, but the same principle applies where the king is blocked in by a rook pawn and the opposition king. It's the only situation where a lone knight (or two for that matter!) can force the win against a king and pawn. Otherwise it is invariably a draw.
I have his other book and so far i do not see anything where he talks about the Rook pawn. But i knew before reading the chapter on pawns that by theory a Rook Pawn may not Queen. First sign of a problem.
From what gather it is Pawn vs Knight as he will say. And how do you(Black) make your Pawn more valuable than the Knight? I see none in this position.
He would also say Which King is in the stronger position? White
Ever notice how Sillman has this thing for corners. Make a area in that area and he will punish you which will sooner or later end the game.
The 50 move rule does not apply to the example given, because the pawn moves. Also, I don't know about FIDE, but at a tournament, about 6 or 8 years ago, a guy was told he had to demonstrate a forced checkmate to get around it. That was USCF. TD Randy Hough.
The 50 move rule does not apply to the example given, because the pawn moves. Also, I don't know about FIDE, but at a tournament, about 6 or 8 years ago, a guy was told he had to demonstrate a forced checkmate to get around it. That was USCF. TD Randy Hough.
Ok you used the words "forced checkmate". Now all mates are not completely force. An opponent blunder into a situation and mate is just waiting next move.
I have to assume the words are used when it is mate in like 7 moves(random number i pick) and nothing the opponent can do about. In the situation of the tournament i would assume that a chance for mate was possible. But they do not have all day and they have to speed things up with a result and post result of the tournament in a timely manner. Which i can understand agree with in that case.
Gil-Gandel wrote
"Hmmmm i think you are really referencing yourself. Monopoly is not on the same level as chess where a player rolls dice with some random number(luck). "
Monopoly 'advanced rules' add much skill to the game. 1. Insurance - a player can sell another player insurance for any price agreed upon, If player with insurance lands on designated pay square(s) during the term of the insurance (specified # of turns or times around the board), he/she does not have to pay. 2. Prebuy - A player can sell 2nd player a property he/she does not yet own. If during the course of the game the 1st player lands on said property, he/she must buy it and give it to 2nd player. 3. Good use of the auction rule. If a player lands on a property, but does not choose to buy it, it is auctioned off to whichever of the other players is willing to buy it. 4.Game begins with 4 players. There are other rules as well, but much skill involved.
Also very much skill in poker where the cards are random. The presence of luck in a game does not rule out skill being the overriding factor.
Hey i copy paste the Chess.com rules. I was just the messsenger. I have been a victim of this as i never had .... never took time to look them up. My fault. In my last draw i was not aware that my opponent could claim it. I never saw it come up. 2 scoops ......