Can this position be won ?

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Loomis
02Wesley wrote:

Where was my mistake?


Posting a postion from an ongoing game and asking your question in the context of that position.

If I asked whether it was possible to win a game, with knight + bischop vs lone king, and if there was some strategy, Without! posting the situation (at one moment, not the entire game..), would it be okay than..??

 

Yes.

Loomis

Fezzik, in your example, you ask about a specific position that does occur in your game. The OP asked if he could ask about a position that does not occur in his game.

Loomis

Incidentally, your example brings up another beef I have with the system. Let's say you play the French defense and so you continually have correspondence games that are in the opening phase of a French defense game -- are you never allowed to get anyone's opinion on the French defense? That seems like a bad system.

TheYear9876

just read a book , they  can't stop that lol

02Wesley

Thanks for the responses!

It seems it is rather hard to distinguish what is and what isn't allowed to post on the forum..

It never was my intention to break the forum rules, and I'd try to be less controversial in a next forum post..

I must say that I agree with loomis on the fact that it should be okay to ask non games-specific questions.. For instance, what if my game is over and I ask the same question, probably someone on chess.com has that position (or a equal like position) in an ongoing game, and that would mean I'd help him..

That would rule out all general questions about, fi, what strategies the French has.. or what ideas there are behind the najdorf, since someone might have that variation in an ongoing game..

Deranged

I can win with 2 opposite coloured bishops, but I can't win with a bishop and a knight or 3 knights. I want to learn how to, though.

Also, it is possible to win with 2 knights, but the checkmate is not forced (ie. your opponent has to make a mistake).

Gil-Gandel
Deranged wrote:

I can win with 2 opposite coloured bishops, but I can't win with a bishop and a knight or 3 knights. I want to learn how to, though.

Also, it is possible to win with 2 knights, but the checkmate is not forced (ie. your opponent has to make a mistake).


Yes, and a simple one - on reaching a position where his King is checked and he has a choice between going into the corner and being mated next move, or not going into the corner and not being mated, he has to make the wrong choice. K+N+N v K+P is winnable in some cases (but inordinately difficult!).

Ben_Dubuque

Btw they changed it to a 100 move rule for cases like this

Ben_Dubuque

can you post the result of the game, i want to see how you did

monasman
02Wesley wrote:

I can imagine.. It feels impossible to be able to force the king to the corner, being able to checkmate it..

Does anyone know what the basic strategy is for winning this position.. Surely forcing the king to the corner, but are there forced ways to do so?? -->

And how does the 50 moves rule work? F.i. If I check the king, does the 50 start all over (from move 1) or doesn't that matter and should the king be checkmated in 50 moves from the point the 50 moves rule starts..--> And the question follows: when does it start??


monasman

Even though I have seen this situation won from any part of the board in 32 or less moves I hope I never have to do it, or even have to attempt it because after serveral tries I don't have patience and consitration to do it.

TheYear9876

all i know  is you have to force the king into the  same colour corner as your bishop but even knowing that i  still failed the 50 move  rule . lol. i had this ending a few months ago. it was the longest game ive  played. 176 moves !!

Loomis

That point has already been raised and responded to in great detail in this very topic.

MathBandit
Fezzik wrote:

If somebody reaches, or is considerin reaching a B+N endgame and asks whether B+N endgames can be won while they are playing, they are asking for help for a game in progress.


By your logic, I can never ask for help on my opening repertoire for as long as I am considering starting a game of chess.

MathBandit
ReasonableDoubt wrote:
SensFan33 wrote:
Fezzik wrote:

If somebody reaches, or is considerin reaching a B+N endgame and asks whether B+N endgames can be won while they are playing, they are asking for help for a game in progress.


By your logic, I can never ask for help on my opening repertoire for as long as I am considering starting a game of chess.


That's absolutely ridiculous.  The person starting this thread had a game with the exact same position on the board as what they were referring to.  That's not the same thing as asking questions about opening repertoire.  It's the same thing as someone asking what they should play on move 17 in the ruy lopez when that's the position on the board in one of their games.


I agree with you 100%. That's very different from what was said: "If somebody reaches, or is considerin reaching a B+N endgame and asks whether B+N endgames can be won while they are playing, they are asking for help for a game in progress."

Loomis
ReasonableDoubt wrote:
SensFan33 wrote:
Fezzik wrote:

If somebody reaches, or is considerin reaching a B+N endgame and asks whether B+N endgames can be won while they are playing, they are asking for help for a game in progress.


By your logic, I can never ask for help on my opening repertoire for as long as I am considering starting a game of chess.


That's absolutely ridiculous.  The person starting this thread had a game with the exact same position on the board as what they were referring to.  That's not the same thing as asking questions about opening repertoire.  It's the same thing as someone asking what they should play on move 17 in the ruy lopez when that's the position on the board in one of their games.


Fezzik wasn't referring to the original post, he was referring to the hypothetical where the original poster asked a general endgame question when his game might be headed to that endgame. Your reference to the OP is irrelevant and the hypothetical where one asks about an theoretical opening position there game might be headed to is relevant.

zschess
It is actually won,you should study your endgames about bishop and knight properly,you should checkmate within fifty moves.And maybe I can had a question of how to checkmate with these.
02Wesley

For those who are interested: Here is the entire game. It is won, but not in 50 moves, since I only knew the theory by move 101.. Until there I was doing just something, but start the game at move 101 to see the proper way to finish a knight+bischop vs king endgame!

http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=44347291

Gil-Gandel

But you can't win with two knights.

Pardon?

Ja, paarden!

zschess
02Wesley wrote:

 

I believe this is a certain win for white, while my opponent says it's a draw..
Now, notice this game is not over yet, so please do not provide any solutions or shortest ways to mate (if possible)
I just want to know if this position can be won (of course with good play for black) or that it is a certain draw?
White to move!

 


Just to show you an error.