distant opposition in pawn endings

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benonidoni

Was reading dvoretskys explanation on dist opposition. White was a pawn down and in many positions could (not all)could get the closed opposition and obtain a draw.

 

Any guidelines on distant opposition. I'll put up the graph of the position later- Was wondering if used correctly in lower levels you could draw by being a pawn down with D.O.

Any ideas on the subject. Stay on same colors ect. Sounds very basic but if you really don't know the topic seems awkward.

Gert-Jan

there is a mentor couse about opposition. it is called openeings, endings...

Snar

i don't think he has chess mentor considering he is a basic member

JFK-Ramsey

As usual, no simple answer. Yes, you may draw with only K vs K and P but it depends on the position and, yes, opposition plays a role. Most basic chess books cover opposition. It is easy to understand with a little study.

benonidoni

benonidoni

If white goes to E1? its a draw. Otherwise white should win. "Source Dvoretsky endgame manual"

benonidoni
benonidoni

After move 4 dvoretsky lets you play the rest and assumes you know thats why I Posted here but can't the white king and I know you can't because he said so but can't the white king move either towards the center and exchange or try to circle around the kingside and take opposition?

x-5058622868

The diagram looks to be the same one that was posted weeks ago. The square white can move to for a win is g1. g2 also works.

benonidoni

I got it now. By forcing kings around in circle or else white king can get around kingside if black doesn't cover d file quick enough. Needs to open G1 or G2.

pfren

Isn't 1.Kg1 silly? It is still winning, but after 1...Kf7 white has to bring back the previous position - 2.Kf1! Ke7(e8) and play the right move, 3.Kg2.

1.Kg2 at once is much simpler.

pfren

Here's another nice example. White wins despite the fact he can not gain the opposition.

shepi13

Impressive, I think I've solved it (spoiler alert).

While my diagram fails to solve it I have found the solution based on preventing the Kc7 line I gave: you send the king to g8 rather than f8, and black's king must stay on a8, which is too far away.

shepi13
SmyslovFan

Pfren's example is excellent!

But it's not a case of distant opposition, as he points out. Distant opposition (and even traditional opposition) belongs to a larger idea called "Corresponding squares".

Pfren's example is an excellent case in point. Put simply, there's a group of squares the white king can that if the black king is on a corresponding square, white wins.  So white's g6 and g8 correspond to Black's a7 and so on.

pfren

Yes, #14 is the one and only correct solution... Laughing