How to win an endgame like this

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I know black has some advantage, but I couldn't find a clear way to win

Are there some principles?

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HELLO

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olofmat 写道:

HELLO

Hi, any suggestion?

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I would play Ng3+ and take the White’s bishop. If White recaptures with Kxe4, f5+ to drive away the King, then play on the queenside where Black has a pawn advantage. If fxe4, then I would first play f6, then h6 intending to play g5. After a few pawn exchanges on the kingside, then I would play on the queenside where Black has an extra pawn. It is not easy even though Black has the advantage in the initial position. Only Black can play for a win here. White can only play for a draw in the initial position.
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White has the doubled pawns (weakness in this endgame) and worse is that they are down material. Black wins in many ways. Here's some pgn diagrams:

Here's with equal material; black still wins:

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KeSetoKaiba 写道:

White has the doubled pawns (weakness in this endgame) and worse is that they are down material. Black wins in many ways. Here's some pgn diagrams:

Here's with equal material; black still wins:

thank you

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Move backwards to go forwards. Look at 1... Ne7 to get the f pawn to f5. White has to move to e8 to attack the pawns and has to play moves like Bc2-a4-e8-f7-g8 to attack the pawn chain. So you know you can transfer the move back to White 4 times before having to.addrees the attack on h7. Meanwhile, you can get in f5 move the Knight to d4 and work on attacking the King side pawns. Eventually, White has to bring the Bishop back to defend the passers and this allows you to move the King side pawns to dark squares and bring the King over to win. You'll need to make sure there are no forks, skewers or x-ray attacks for White but you should win, though it might take about 30 to 40 moves to get in

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ElNegroCorazon 写道:

Move backwards to go forwards. Look at 1... Ne7 to get the f pawn to f5. White has to move to e8 to attack the pawns and has to play moves like Bc2-a4-e8-f7-g8 to attack the pawn chain. So you know you can transfer the move back to White 4 times before having the attack on h7. Meanwhile, you can get in f5 move the Knight to d4 and work on attacking the King side pawns. Eventually, White has to bring the Bishop back to defend the passers and this allows you to move the King side pawns to dark squares and bring the King over to win. You'll need to make sure there are no forks, skewers or x-ray attacks for White but you should win, though it might take about 30 to 40 moves to get in

thank you

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Black does not "have some advantage". He is completely winning- he is a pawn up, and all five of White's pawns are isolated, and weak.

There are a lot of ways to win, but a simple plan is something like that:

We put the knight at d6, which forces a white piece to defend c4, e.g. by Bd3 and then we move our king towards the kingsdide, e.g. via f6-g7-h6, unless white is kind enough to offer a faster route.

There should not be any problems converting the advantage.

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pfren 写道:

Black does not "have some advantage". He is completely winning- he is a pawn up, and all five of White's pawns are isolated, and weak.

There are a lot of ways to win, but a simple plan is something like that:

We put the knight at d6, which forces a white piece to defend c4, . by Bd3 and then we move our king towards the kingsdide, . via f6-g7-h6, unless white is kind enough to offer a faster route.

There should not be any problems converting the advantage.

thank you for your explanation

one more question, you say "move our king towards the kingside"

why make this play , I mean ,according to white's pawn chain, black's king is unable to invade to white's kingside, such as g4/g3 square

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White has a way worse pawn structure, and less pawns.

Play Ng3+ then Nxe4, trading while you’re up.

Trading more kingside pawns is okay, but focus on the queenside, it’s where you have a pawn majority.
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bxchessfan έγραψε:
pfren 写道:

Black does not "have some advantage". He is completely winning- he is a pawn up, and all five of White's pawns are isolated, and weak.

There are a lot of ways to win, but a simple plan is something like that:

We put the knight at d6, which forces a white piece to defend c4, . by Bd3 and then we move our king towards the kingsdide, . via f6-g7-h6, unless white is kind enough to offer a faster route.

There should not be any problems converting the advantage.

thank you for your explanation

one more question, you say "move our king towards the kingside"

why make this play , I mean ,according to white's pawn chain, black's king is unable to invade to white's kingside, such as g4/g3 square

Is something like Kg6-g7-h6-h5-h4 called "unable"?

We are going for the h3 pawn first, and then the rest will follow.

The only way to stop such a route is f5, which just drops another pawn.

Also, notice how the knight from d6 guards e4 and prevents counterplay from a white king invasion.

Swapping the knight for the bishop is also winning, but positionally speaking it does not make much sense- in such positions the knight is much the better piece.

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pfren 写道:
bxchessfan έγραψε:
pfren 写道:

Black does not "have some advantage". He is completely winning- he is a pawn up, and all five of White's pawns are isolated, and weak.

There are a lot of ways to win, but a simple plan is something like that:

We put the knight at d6, which forces a white piece to defend c4, . by Bd3 and then we move our king towards the kingsdide, . via f6-g7-h6, unless white is kind enough to offer a faster route.

There should not be any problems converting the advantage.

thank you for your explanation

one more question, you say "move our king towards the kingside"

why make this play , I mean ,according to white's pawn chain, black's king is unable to invade to white's kingside, such as g4/g3 square

Is something like Kg6-g7-h6-h5-h4 called "unable"?

We are going for the h3 pawn first, and then the rest will follow.

The only way to stop such a route is f5, which just drops another pawn.

Also, notice how the knight from d6 guards e4 and prevents counterplay from a white king invasion.

Swapping the knight for the bishop is also winning, but positionally speaking it does not make much sense- in such positions the knight is much the better piece.

thank you

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SacrifycedStoat 写道:
White has a way worse pawn structure, and less pawns.
Play Ng3+ then Nxe4, trading while you’re up.
Trading more kingside pawns is okay, but focus on the queenside, it’s where you have a pawn majority.

thank you

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ElNegroCorazon wrote:

Move backwards to go forwards. Look at 1... Ne7 to get the f pawn to f5. White has to move to e8 to attack the pawns and has to play moves like Bc2-a4-e8-f7-g8 to attack the pawn chain. So you know you can transfer the move back to White 4 times before having the attack on h7. Meanwhile, you can get in f5 move the Knight to d4 and work on attacking the King side pawns. Eventually, White has to bring the Bishop back to defend the passers and this allows you to move the King side pawns to dark squares and bring the King over to win bios ps2 aethersx2. You'll need to make sure there are no forks, skewers or x-ray attacks for White but you should win, though it might take about 30 to 40 moves to get in

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