King, Bishop and Knight to Checkmate King

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ChessCrazy22 wrote:

Capablanca's argument, as I had stated, was that it teaches the student the value of those pieces and how they interact with one another.

I took the time to learn it, as he recommended, and I consider it fundamental knowledge, as he did. No tantrums, just substantiated belief.

No hard feelings on my end, but this is ridiculous. I prefer my chess to be fun.


Now to open a whole new can of worms. I disagree with Capablanca. Tongue out

I learned this checkmate. I can do it consistantly. It's one of those things I still go back and practice once every couple of months, just to make sure I can still remember how to do it, because after that amount of time I spent learning it, I would just kill myself if it ever actually comes up (it hasn't yet) and I blow it.

But I don't think it's helped my piece coordination ability at all. My time definitely would have been better spent improving my skill at QvR, pawn endgames, or rook and pawn endgames.

Jobito

If any of you guys have got links to where i can find the solution why not help a knowledge seeking chess friend, doh i may not come across it in my life time, it could still fetch me some well deserved thousands so what say y'all? thanx 4 d comments posted, i appreciate your concern.

marvellosity

Jobito:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_and_knight_checkmate

Ziryab
Reb wrote:

Last year I saw GM Cheparinov ( Topalov's second ) unable to convert with Q v R against another GM in the thematic Ruy Lopez rapid event in Zafra Spain. Both GMs were very short of time with Cheparinov having less time than his opponent and he sacrificed the Q for the rook to draw the game to be sure he wouldnt lose on time. He then threw a bit of a tantrum by leaving the room in a huff without resetting the pieces.....


This fit was from the same guy that refused to shakes hands with Nigel Short?

Ziryab
marvellosity wrote:

I think the QvR ending is much harder than B+N mate. I've spent 50x more time on QvR than B+N, and I'd say I could do B+N comfortably but QvR still takes a lot of thought.


 I agree that Q vs. R is harder, and more useful.

I've had NBK vs K about fifteen times in 45,000 online games and never had it OTB, except in a dozen or more casual games where I promote pawns to knights and bishops in order to practice. Sometimes I reach a king and pawn endgame, point to a corner square and say, "I'm gonna mate you here," then promote to the minor pieces and execute. Last week, my own pawns got in the way of the drive from the wrong corner to the right one. I considered promoting one of them to a rook to force the king to take it.

TheOldReb
Ziryab wrote:
Reb wrote:

Last year I saw GM Cheparinov ( Topalov's second ) unable to convert with Q v R against another GM in the thematic Ruy Lopez rapid event in Zafra Spain. Both GMs were very short of time with Cheparinov having less time than his opponent and he sacrificed the Q for the rook to draw the game to be sure he wouldnt lose on time. He then threw a bit of a tantrum by leaving the room in a huff without resetting the pieces.....


This fit was from the same guy that refused to shakes hands with Nigel Short?


 Yes, same guy, he's a real jerk !  The worst losers I have seen/been around/played chess with are from eastern europe. Must be something in the water there ?  Wink

Ziryab
Reb wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Reb wrote:

Last year I saw GM Cheparinov ( Topalov's second ) unable to convert with Q v R against another GM in the thematic Ruy Lopez rapid event in Zafra Spain. Both GMs were very short of time with Cheparinov having less time than his opponent and he sacrificed the Q for the rook to draw the game to be sure he wouldnt lose on time. He then threw a bit of a tantrum by leaving the room in a huff without resetting the pieces.....


This fit was from the same guy that refused to shakes hands with Nigel Short?


 Yes, same guy, he's a real jerk !  The worst losers I have seen/been around/played chess with are from eastern europe. Must be something in the water there ? 


I would think that growing up under the colonial conditions of being a Soviet satellite would lead to certain social problems (sort of like the American South in the early to mid-twentieth century, but in a completely different way). We in the American west suffer a different set of self-delusions, such as our fantasies of independence.

Atos
Reb wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Reb wrote:

Last year I saw GM Cheparinov ( Topalov's second ) unable to convert with Q v R against another GM in the thematic Ruy Lopez rapid event in Zafra Spain. Both GMs were very short of time with Cheparinov having less time than his opponent and he sacrificed the Q for the rook to draw the game to be sure he wouldnt lose on time. He then threw a bit of a tantrum by leaving the room in a huff without resetting the pieces.....


This fit was from the same guy that refused to shakes hands with Nigel Short?


 Yes, same guy, he's a real jerk !  The worst losers I have seen/been around/played chess with are from eastern europe. Must be something in the water there ? 


Are you being chauvinistic on purpose ? Is it something in the water over there ?

TheOldReb
Atos wrote:
Reb wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Reb wrote:

Last year I saw GM Cheparinov ( Topalov's second ) unable to convert with Q v R against another GM in the thematic Ruy Lopez rapid event in Zafra Spain. Both GMs were very short of time with Cheparinov having less time than his opponent and he sacrificed the Q for the rook to draw the game to be sure he wouldnt lose on time. He then threw a bit of a tantrum by leaving the room in a huff without resetting the pieces.....


This fit was from the same guy that refused to shakes hands with Nigel Short?


 Yes, same guy, he's a real jerk !  The worst losers I have seen/been around/played chess with are from eastern europe. Must be something in the water there ? 


Are you being chauvinistic on purpose ? Is it something in the water over there ?


 I am just being honest.

Atos
Ziryab wrote:
Reb wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Reb wrote:

Last year I saw GM Cheparinov ( Topalov's second ) unable to convert with Q v R against another GM in the thematic Ruy Lopez rapid event in Zafra Spain. Both GMs were very short of time with Cheparinov having less time than his opponent and he sacrificed the Q for the rook to draw the game to be sure he wouldnt lose on time. He then threw a bit of a tantrum by leaving the room in a huff without resetting the pieces.....


This fit was from the same guy that refused to shakes hands with Nigel Short?


 Yes, same guy, he's a real jerk !  The worst losers I have seen/been around/played chess with are from eastern europe. Must be something in the water there ? 


I would think that growing up under the colonial conditions of being a Soviet satellite would lead to certain social problems (sort of like the American South in the early to mid-twentieth century, but in a completely different way). 


The comparison is so far-fetched as to be almost nebulous. Frankly it only shows a need to understand things on one's own terms.

Ricardo_Morro

I have had this ending come up twice. The first time was on this site turn-based, so I was able to look up how to do it. The second time was over the board a short time after, when I had the method fresh in my memory. Both times were relatively easy because in both cases the opponent's king was already cut off from the middle; in the first case he also couldn't run for the corner opposite the checkmating corner, and in the second case he could have but didn't know to do it. If you don't have to do much to force the king to the edge and if you don't have to drive him across the board from one corner to another, this ending is pretty easy just using your logic. In the over the board game, though, I did have to use that trick where the king almost escapes from the corner but is driven back. For me this was half vaguely remembering and half figuring it out.

If I had had to drive a king back from the middle of the board in an over-the-board game, I would probably mess up and exceed the 50-move limit.

Learning this ending is not important so much for how many times it comes up but for the practice and skill it gives you in piece coordination. The best and clearest explanation of this ending I have seen is in Tarrasch's "The Game of Chess."

Atos
Reb wrote:
Atos wrote:
Reb wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Reb wrote:

Last year I saw GM Cheparinov ( Topalov's second ) unable to convert with Q v R against another GM in the thematic Ruy Lopez rapid event in Zafra Spain. Both GMs were very short of time with Cheparinov having less time than his opponent and he sacrificed the Q for the rook to draw the game to be sure he wouldnt lose on time. He then threw a bit of a tantrum by leaving the room in a huff without resetting the pieces.....


This fit was from the same guy that refused to shakes hands with Nigel Short?


 Yes, same guy, he's a real jerk !  The worst losers I have seen/been around/played chess with are from eastern europe. Must be something in the water there ? 


Are you being chauvinistic on purpose ? Is it something in the water over there ?


 I am just being honest.


Hm, maybe I misread, did you mean "worst at losing in chess" or "losers" in general ?

Jobito

Thanx Marvellosity, u're marvelously going to make a super grandmaster, mark my words. Thanx

Ziryab
Atos wrote:

The comparison is so far-fetched as to be almost nebulous. Frankly it only shows a need to understand things on one's own terms.


Atos wrote:
 

Hm, maybe I misread, ...


yep

Atos
Ziryab wrote:
Atos wrote:
 

The comparison is so far-fetched as to be almost nebulous. Frankly it only shows a need to understand things on one's own terms.


Atos wrote:
 

Hm, maybe I misread, ...


yep


Not sure.

Sidekick71

The king+bishop+knight against king mate is explained in the book :

Teach Yourself VISUALLY Chess, by Jon Edwards.

Nice book.

Jobito

I thank y'all for your contributions, i guess i became a better chess player based on that. I also hope to start giving more time and attention to chess and chess.com. That implies that as we progress, expect certain analytical Posts and sharings from my desk. Till then, let's play and enjoy...

darkstormyknight

Hi all - I'm fairly new to all this (first forum post) and just became interested through trying to learn endings on Fritz. I was getting frustrated because I couldn't figure out how to do this ending, now I am wondering whether it is even worth my time. I found K + 2 bishops fairly easy. I could use some advice though, which endings would be worth study?

Jobito

@ darkstormyknight, marvellousity gave me this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_and_knight_checkmate so check it out... It'll help