Opponent ran out of time but the game is declared DRAWN ? !

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vakubi

I came back here to play after almost an year of break and i was surprised to find out the new rules of chess . Absolute nonsense . 

Both me and villain were making frantic moves towards the end as time is running out for both of us , i survived with just 1 second left in the clock but the game is declared "Drawn" "timeout v insufficient material" .

Had i ran out of time, then i would have lost the game because opponent had "sufficient material" but he was timed out with "sufficient" material and the game was judged "drawn" . I'm calling BULLSHIT 

Check out this #chess game: vakubi vs jowish26 - https://chess.com/live/game/13251713497

vakubi

IMO decision has to be made on the basis of present situation and not by extrapolating how things would turn out in future. 

 

Time is of supreme essence, it is a resource like King, queen and pawn , when a player times out , they should be declared defeated. 

blueemu

Send your complaint to the World Chess Federation (FIDE) in Paris. 

This isn't a chess.com rule. It's a chess rule.

smr1thz

Maybe you were in a bad position or you had some network issues.

baddogno
blueemu wrote:

Send your complaint to the World Chess Federation (FIDE) in Paris. 

This isn't a chess.com rule. It's a chess rule.

Absolutely correct; nicely written post sir...

Sammy_Thechessboy

Lol, you didn't have sufficient material to mate. Maybe read the real chess rules before posting forums like this.

Arisktotle

The issue has just been extensively addressed here: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/endgames/is-the-best-move-to-let-your-time-run-out 

Btw, many things in life are decided on future expectations e.g. "hiring people".

AussieMatey

You blundered about 7 pieces in the game - you didn't deserve to win.

royalknight223

I can confirm this is a chess rule. I had a game where my opponent ran out of time because of bad connection, but it was declared a draw because I couldn't mate with my pieces (king and bishop).

bubblypotato1

According to FIDE rules, this is won due to timeout. White has a legal way to get checkmate, if black underpromotes to a knight and moves their king into a light-squared corner, where a certain placement of king and bishop can checkmate. Chess.com, however, does not follow FIDE rules on this regard, instead following USCF rules, where you need more than a bishop or knight to win.

C9_Narwhal

plz dont swear

gummibears4u
pfren wrote:
blueemu έγραψε:

Send your complaint to the World Chess Federation (FIDE) in Paris. 

This isn't a chess.com rule. It's a chess rule.

 

This is a win for white according to FIDE rules.

yes because white could theoritically win. Black could help white win. Admitly that would be rare, but white should have won since a bishop+king vs king+quenn+rook can win.

ThrillerFan
pfren wrote:
blueemu έγραψε:

Send your complaint to the World Chess Federation (FIDE) in Paris. 

This isn't a chess.com rule. It's a chess rule.

 

This is a win for white according to FIDE rules.

 

I presume only because the promotion square is light (BPf2, BPf1, BRg2, BQg1, WKd2, White mates with the Bishop.)

 

If the pawn were a-, c-, e, or g-, it is a draw, right?

ThrillerFan

But also, chess.com is not FIDE.  It isn't even USCF!

A position that is chess.com draw but USCF win:

WBc1, WKe6, BPe7, BPh7, BKg8, White to move.

He plays 1.Bh6 and Black sits.  Clock expires.

 

USCF - Win

Chess.com - Draw

FIDE - Win

bla_w_gy

It is technically possible for white to checkmate Black.  But in any chess game where the opponent has any desire to win, they wouldn't (in said position) specifically coordinate their pieces to allow white to checkmate them with just the bishop.  The possibility of black just going on to win the game is MUCH higher than any slim possibility of white winning.  Now if black's king was trapped in a corner, and the necessary pieces were around it, it could be possible (at the level) for the opponent to blunder mate.  But that was not the position, not even close.  If it was a perfect world, every game would be analyzed and by the position, pieces, and player's ratings, it would be determined if the player with insufficient material could still win.  But Chess.com simply doesn't have these kinds of resources, so they go with the much higher probability that a player will not be help-mated.  Of course, FIDE goes with the statistical probability that a player could be help-mated, but this is not FIDE.  Their rules are reasonable, and Chess.com's rules are reasonable.  I don't think it's worth trying to go with FIDE's rules on this.

SwimmingHamsters

Yeah, this happend to me too. I was against this player (who was much better than me) and I only had a king left. He timed out and I only had a king, so I was confused and looked at the rules. 

The game: https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/13031566439

Also, it was actully lucky for you beacause if this was not a rule you would lose the game.

AunTheKnight

Contact FIDE is you want to change a rule of chess.

KatyKarawolf
AussieRookie wrote:

You blundered about 7 pieces in the game - you didn't deserve to win.

Plz don't be rude I know you may think it's not my business but that's just wrong I thought people who play chess were nice people

KatyKarawolf
Sammy_Thechessboy wrote:

Lol, you didn't have sufficient material to mate. Maybe read the real chess rules before posting forums like this.

Sammy I was just going to friend you meh.png

PranavBobbySekhar

I mean, his opponent had a pawn and he has a bishop, so according to FIDE rules, he should win if it was timeout. This was the same rule applied with the Alireza vs Magnus game where Alireza was winning but he ran out of time, but Magnus had a bishop while Alireza had a bishop and many pawns, so it was declared that Magnus won. U can't force mate, but the rule is that if a mate is possible, then the person who got timed out will lose. As u can see if your opponent didn't have a pawn, then it was rightly considered a draw, because mate is not possible at all, but since he had a pawn, mate is possible if he promotes it to a knight (not saying he will do that, of course). So, if FIDE rules were applied u should've won.