Black wins. The key is to either separate the king from the pawns or create a hole in the pawn structure.
Q vs. 3 pawns
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Black wins this position easily; the pawns don't have a chance :)
In fact, with all the pawns on their starting squares, even 8 pawns vs. lone Queen is (surprisingly) an easy win for the Queen.
Here's an example:
Ahh, I was just wondering, what if 9 pawns vs Q...?
Dec 21, 2010
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FifthDimension wrote:
Ahh, I was just wondering, what if 9 pawns vs Q...?
Everyone knows that it takes eleventeen.
doomsuckle wrote:
FifthDimension wrote:
Ahh, I was just wondering, what if 9 pawns vs Q...?
Everyone knows that it takes eleventeen.
lool
Dec 24, 2010
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Eleventeen + nine = Twenty-twelve. OH NO TWENTY TWELVE is 20-12! 2012! GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!!
demetrios18 wrote:
Queen was 3 pawns and a rook or bishop would be fun and winning for the pawns!!!!!!!
Three pawns vs a Rook can be a win, draw, or loss, depending on the position of the pawns. For example, trade the Rook for the Queen and the position is a win for Black. I'm going to follow a logical line for both sides. I'm aware that the engines and tablebases can show quicker wins and/or slower losses.
1 d3
The immediate 1 d4 is no better, because Black plays 1 ... Ra7, followed by Ra3, making it tough for White to move the King past the third rank.
1 ... Ra7
Black starts by clearing the Rook for action so that it can restrict the White King's movements.
White's goal is to get the pawns to the 4th, 5th, and 6th ranks or better. Black's goal is to stop White from accomplishing that before pawns have to be given up.
2 Kd2 Ke7
3 e4 Ke6
4 Ke3 Ke5
Black lets the pawn drive the King away
5 f3 Ra1
Black marks time until White has to advance a pawn or give way with the King.
6 d4+ Ke6
7 Kd3
White marks time. The immediate 7 Kf4 Ra3 stops White cold.
7 ... Rd1+
8 Ke3 Kd6!
Black also marks time and forces White to make a concession with a pawn or the King.
9 d5
Or 9 f4 Ke6 and White has to give way, much as in the main line.
9 ... Ke5
10 f4+ Kd6
Black has to be careful here. 10 ... Kf6? allows White to draw by 11 Ke2! Rd4 (or Ra1 or similar), 12 Ke3! Ra4, 13 e5+ Kf5, 14 d6! As a general rule in this ending, if the pawns can get to the 4th, 5th, and 6th rank, it's a draw, barring some special circumstance or tactic.
With the given move, Black forces White to give way.
11 Ke2
Of course 11 f5, Ke5 is hopeless.
11 ... Ra1
12 Kf3
If White doesn't go back to the third rank, Black cuts off the King with Ra3 and moves the King around the pawns to capture them.
12 ... Re1
Black limits the King's maneuverability. White must now lose a pawn.
Three pawns vs a Bishop is a draw in this position if Black plays carefully.
black will win
shanmukh1233 wrote:
black will win
It took you 13 years to figure this out? Good job.
Jul 12, 2023
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What about here, where all 8 pawns are clustered close together?
Jul 12, 2023
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EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:
What about here, where all 8 pawns are clustered close together?
The Queen easily wins in that position with Black mating in no more than 34 moves.
White wings
Jul 13, 2023
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If black hangs his queen and white promotes his pawn white can win or it can be a draw
Jul 13, 2023
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Moodyunicorntwin02468 wrote:
If black hangs his queen and white promotes his pawn white can win or it can be a draw
True enough, but we are assuming perfect play on both sides, and with perfect play White always wins and there is nothing Black can do to stop it.
FifthDimension wrote:
Who will win?? white or black, is it a draw...??
i remember a position like this in kung fu chess campaign
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Who will win?? white or black, is it a draw...??