should beginners study endgames?

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peterkirby

If you reach endgames with material parity in less than 10% of your games (ie a beginner or lower intermediate player -- sometimes much less than 10%), is it still worth studying endgames?

ericmittens

Yes, but only very basic ones like how to mate with king+ queen vs. king and king + rook vs king. Actually a good reference for this kind of thing is Silman's endgame course.

http://www.amazon.ca/Silmans-Complete-Endgame-Course-Jeremy/dp/1890085103

MapleDanish

Endgames are incredibly important and will spring your play from intermediate to advanced in almost no time at all.  The point isn't the endgame technique... it's knowing what type of exchanges favour your middlegame!

Spiffe
ih8sens wrote:

Endgames are incredibly important and will spring your play from intermediate to advanced in almost no time at all.  The point isn't the endgame technique... it's knowing what type of exchanges favour your middlegame!


"Intermediate to advanced"... so what about for beginners, as in the original post.

I say no -- for real beginners, nothing beyond basic overpower mates will be of much immediate use.

RobertKaucher
peterkirby wrote:

If you reach endgames with material parity in less than 10% of your games (ie a beginner or lower intermediate player -- sometimes much less than 10%), is it still worth studying endgames?


 Yes, because you will learn how the pieces work together and cooperate. Chess is almost best learned in reverse. As the beginner progresses s/he will start to see how simple theoretical positions (K vs Pawn/opposition) relate to more complex theoretical positions (Lucena, R & 2 connected pawns vs R, etc) and then how the more complicated thoeretical positions relate to technical endgames and then how the technical endgames relate to the late middlegame and so on. It is much harder to go from the complex to the simple.

MapleDanish
Spiffe wrote:
ih8sens wrote:

Endgames are incredibly important and will spring your play from intermediate to advanced in almost no time at all.  The point isn't the endgame technique... it's knowing what type of exchanges favour your middlegame!


"Intermediate to advanced"... so what about for beginners, as in the original post.

I say no -- for real beginners, nothing beyond basic overpower mates will be of much immediate use.


You're right, I misread the original post...

It still applies to some degree though, In the (admittedly limited) coaching I've done I've made it a point of demonstrating basic mates followed by king/pawn and then king/rook endgames... only then do I set the pieces up at play a game of chess.

 

However I agree... for anyone under about 1000online rating (800 ELO), mating is all you need to know for now... focus on not hanging pieces first.

Hydroxide

One nice strategy is to become an endgame buff and just trade off in the opening and middlegame :)

RobertKaucher
ih8sens wrote:

However I agree... for anyone under about 1000online rating (800 ELO), mating is all you need to know for now... focus on not hanging pieces first.


 That's still my focus and I am just over 2000 on ICC! :-)

wingtzun

the BEST way to learn chess properly is to start with endgame techniques - fewer pieces so 'simpler' in a way. Certainly this is how all the soviet masters/grandmasters were trained from a young age.

arthurdavidbert

Most of the things I was going to say were said, but I vote for studying endgames for several reasons. First, even though I'm a beginner I do win some games if only on my chess computer. So I need the skills and insights of the endgames for those situations. Plus I think it helps to see where you're going during the previous part of the game.Cool

MJW

Learn how to stop dropping pieces randomly first before studying the endgame. For example, http://www.chess.com/livechess/game.html?id=21618196 20. Rd5? loses the game at once (you where losing but still...)

You should still know how to mate with only a rook and how to win when you are a knight up or so...

Scarblac

Endgames are more or less 100% tactics. Being good at endgames helps the rest of your game as well.

TheOldReb

I think even beginners should know basic endings but beyond that they shouldnt spend a lot of time on endings UNTIL they are actually reaching endings in which they arent already lost ! If you are losing most of your games in the opening or middlegame it wont matter if you play rook endings like Smyslov ! Laughing

Nytik
BorgQueen wrote:

The answer is simply YES.  Just starting with the easy stuff like mating with a rook or two bishops.


Mating with two bishops? I'd say thats more an intermediate endgame.

aansel

Yes--knowing mating patterns is key--knowing how to take an advantage such as an extra piece and be able to convert it to a win (like forcing a pawn to Queen), as well as understanding how to either Queen a pawn or prevent your opponent from queening are all key features in one's chess understanding

marvellosity

Yeah, mating with 2 bishops isn't so easy.

And endings are 100% tactics? That's a new one on me :Z

king_warrior

I think that endgames are important, but one can advance much better if only solves a few midlegame problems every day...try it and you'll see...

Maroon_25

Maybe the question should be rephrased into something more like:  "with only X number of hours per week, how much time should a beginner devote to endgames?"  The problem in this post is that one group will be arguing for learning more and more, while the other group argues it's not necessary for that level, back and forth ad nauseam.

If X = 4, then I'd say spend all your time playing and studying tactics.  Skip the K+2B v K (which I've never had in the thousands of games I've played in my life!), skip the K+B+N v K (rather difficult and also rare), but learn K+R v K, K+P v K, and of course K+Q v K.

On the other hand, if X = 10 or more, learn them all.

TheOldReb

Ofcourse we all need to know basic endings and beginners need to study them until they are sure they can win them. Mate with K+Q and K+R arent hard to learn and shouldnt take much time. Learn how to use opposition in K+p endings so you know the "won" positions from the "drawn" positions and how to win or draw said positions. Maybe learn the lucena and philidor positions in R+p endings and for beginners I think its enough. I agree with the previous poster that mating with 2 Bs almost never occurs ( also not that hard to learn/do though ) and just forget about mating with B+N , its a waste for a beginner to study this ending imo. I didnt study more difficult endings until I was 2000 otb. Why ? Simply because I wasnt reaching endings in which someone wasnt clearly lost until about that time, not often enough to warrant serious study time anyway. rook endings are very very difficult and even often misplayed by GMs , Queen endings are also. The previous poster made a good point about the 2 Bs ending as well as B+N . How often do they occur ? In my 36 years of tournament chess I have had the B+N ending only once !  I have had the 2 Bs ending maybe 2 or 3 times. Rook endings are the most common AND the most difficult so a study of rook endings seems to be top priority but NOT for beginners.

Bradwast88

No marvellosity end game 75% depends on strategy and calculations !If you study the strategy of how to mate with two bishops you can esially mate