White to play and draw

Back where we started? White has captured the pawn on the seventh. Now white's superior fire power will be able to force a win.

We can see how easy it will be for white with this very short variation:

3.Kh3 Bf5+ 4.Kh4   and black is in zugzwang.

That's what your mouth says - there is not anymore to this puzzle - kxp leads to a draw - the solution I provided is correct - I proved it, puzzle solved.  Hell if the object of the puzzle is "White to find 5 different moves to draw- then give that the title" 

If kxp is not a draw, then prove it.  That's why the variations are there, so if you try to refute anything - you can at least have the variations of what i was thinking to go by.

If you want lets play a game and get to this position and I'll play white. and if you need a tutorial on how to use the game editor, I'll be happy to help you - there's a lot more to it than just sticking pieces on the board and giving it a title.

KxP is a draw - now prove me wrong, or shut your mouth - what does black move to win in response to KxP?

All I wanted to do was share a puzzle I enjoyed with the community here. If you are just going to be critical of other posts, and cannot handle being corrected, then maybe you shouldn't come here.

I don't know why you are flying off the handle, but you really need to get over yourself if you want any chance of improving.

I think you misunderstand these types of puzzles. 1.Kxg2 is indeed a draw, and the only move that draws. So you got that part right, but that is a small fraction of the problem. You cannot just show a random series of moves that draws and call it a solution. You must find a draw against 'best play.' 2...Bxh1 is not best play and neither are any of your variations. If you can find black's best second move and how white draws against it, then you are one step closer to solving the puzzle. The complete 'solution' would then also show why every other first move for white loses.

This puzzle has more intricacies than you are assuming it has. By your comments, it seems like you think I created it. Take another look at who the composer is and maybe you will find more respect for this puzzle.

Sorry about that!  I got two different variations confused when I posted.  You are, of course, correct:  that would be a losing set of moves for black.

Being corrected?  You stated "pun - your solution isn't right - try again" then later state kxp is the solution - but I'm supposed to look for some deep meaning -

If the bishop does not take the rook, it's still a long drawn out game - white should win - eventually but it will take an awesome amount of moves running the king around.  But your puzzle is "White to draw" - so continue..

I don't know why I didn't think of this two days ago - here's your deep meaning puzzle - If the bishop does not check - and take rook

White to move and win in 64 -(I'm not going to put all thos e moves in - but if you want to see check out http://www.shredderchess.com/online-chess/online-databases/endgame-database.html)

Though either side could probably draw with the 50 move rule.

You say Kg2 is the only move that draws.  I can't find a win for black against Rg1.  How does black force a win from there?

That's correct! You are supposed to look for 'some deep meaning.' In my words, you are supposed to find a draw against any of black's options. Finding just the first move is not an adequate solution, so you can get the first move right and still not solve the puzzle correctly.

I don't know why you have such animosity towards the idea. This is a perfectly normal chess problem. I'm not sure what kind of chess problem you are used to, but the vast majority of chess problems I have seen show a position, and then give an instruction: "White to play and win," "White to play and draw," or "White to play and mate in x moves."

Well, that is just another one of the 'intricacies' I was referring to. If you want to try to find the win for black, it isn't very hard, but I've included the solution as I see it in white below.

1.Rg1 Kf3  2.Rxg2 Bf5+

Of course, if white doesn't take the pawn, the black King makes it to f2 and the pawn Queens.

PUN,

In your post #26, you did find black's second move, but you didn't actually play it! You said something in the move list about the bishop staying on the long diagonal, but the move you gave and the variations you gave all include some other move.

I sent you a message with black's correct second move, and how white has to walk the line to draw against it. So don't open it if you want to keep trying to find the move.

Hmmm, I don't know what you are trying for here. White would obviously win after 1...Be2?

I didn't know it would take so long, but I don't think white is in danger of drawing by 50 move rule since there are still pawns on the board.

well after rg1 it could actulley bring white a win

How so? In post #30, I explained how I think it is a win for black. Do you think my analysis is wrong? You should post your lines.

with perfect play by black - shredder figures the win for white in 64 moves - follow the link and you can either input an FEN or set the pieces yourself.  and then pick alternate moves.

So many variations.  Black as different options.  The wrong one will end in a draw.  Nice looking to see all the possiblities.