Why resign a game?

Yeah, that's why the "if you take the twisted definition of either to be true." caveat.  Frankly I don't, however he clearly does and since what he's doing is no different than what he accuses us of doing, we have hypocrisy.

I do not see hypocrisy. What he sees you as doing is different from what he is doing. I think he sees you as trying to impose your ideas on the general public. I think he sees himself as trying to protect the general public by pointing out that nobody should impose their ideas on the general public.

Obviously, nobody who has posted here is from Michigan; though it appears some are from the British Isles--they should know better.  The sky is gray in the day--it is a rare and beautiful thing to see a blue sky.

Huge thread o.O http://www.chess.com/live help test live 2 please =D

Sure, but, again assuming that what any of us is doing is "imposing" anything, in doing so he's imposing that idea just as much as I'm imposing mine.  He may not see that they're the same, which would also explain his failure to see the hipocracy, but they are no different.

TheGrobe, so there is no such thing as cyber bullying?

I see a lot of posts here and in other threads that tell people they are all sorts of nasty things and deserve to be scorned etc if they choose to continue to play when the "resign crowd" has deemed the game 'over'.  That sounds an awful lot like bullying to me...conform or be shunned/scorned/called names etc.

My posts aren't trying to get anyone to do anything Grobe, it is simply reminding them that they have a choice, the 'resign crowd' posts are attempting to change the behaviour of players.  There is your difference.

Post #13 covers what I am saying.

I never said that it didn't exist, however nothing that has taken place here qualifies.  People are simply expressing their distaste for this type of behaviour from their opponents.  No-one in particular is being or has been singled out, it's simply a gripe session about it from a general standpoint.

If I started a new forum called "I hate slow drivers in the fast lane" would that also be bullying by your definition?

It would depend upon the way it was presented.  Also, there are some real aspects that come into focus on an example like that...it is a poor example but I know what you mean.

People can express their distaste all they like, but when they start labelling people and saying they will be shunned and scorned if certain actions aren't followed that is no longer jut expressing their distaste, that is pressuring people just like a bully would.

Should I start to worry about you Rainbow?  This is at least the second thread where you have entered with no intention of adding to the topic but simply to try and attack me?  Cyber stalking and bullying me thinks! 

Having a rational discussion involves both parties listening to the other.

If I explain why I resign when I resign, and explain why similarly rated players have the same resignation philosophy as I do - that's not cyber-bullying.

The counterparty can then go ahead and say their side of the argument, it's all good. Nothing at all wrong with that. The point of discussion is idea exchange. If it ends up that I change, or the counterparty changes, then one could say that one side is imposing their will/belief on the other. I guess it's how you characterize the situation - but there's nothing wrong with it.

What is wrong is when some people will simply talk AT the counterparty -- "you should be resigning at such and such a time, and I'll tell you why".

The problem is that the decision to change is ultimately that of the person doing the changing so in this respect it's not really even possible to impose your ideals on someone else.  If they've changed because you've convinced them it was still ultimately their decision to change.

1. The the amount of ozone in the atmosphere is too small for its color to have any measurable affect on the appearance of the sky.

2. Blue light is the shorter wavelengths, and yes, this is what is scattered. The red (longer) wavelengths pass through almost unimpeded.

Regarding resignation in lost positions, I don't believe there is a set, specific point at which resignation should occur. If mate is imminent, and I know my opponent won't miss it, I will resign in all cases. If I think there is some slight hope for a mis-step, especially from an opponent whose game has been less than perfect, I'll play on until it becomes apparent that I have absolutely no chance, and he demonstrates that he's capable of forcing the win from that point. The weaker the opponent, the longer this will be. Against a much stronger opponent, going a piece down in the early middlegame might be sufficient.

When I am winning, I don't care whether or not my opponent resigns early, late, or not at all. I don't take it as an insult. (Since I only play live or OTB, this is not much of an issue. I might think differently if I played correspondence.)

I do find it curious that those who consider playing on with K vs. K & Q find it insulting except when the side with K & Q is short on time. I certainly understand holding out for gaining the draw if time expires in that situation, but frankly I'd be more upset with that continuation than from being made to spend a few seconds practicing one of the simplest checkmates for the 10,000th time.

I am, however, reminded of this poster:

I agree with this. 

Especially when the why part is that you will be labelled, shunned and scorned if you contine to not comply.

What is the reason for the change? 

Is it because they agree with your logic, if so then no problem whatsoever from me. 

If it is because they don't want to be shunned/scorned or labelled, then they have been bullied, no different to the schoolyard.

Are you sure it is me?  It could be your breath wafting back to your nose!?

Are you ready to make a contribution to the thread yet Rainbow?

So I am guessing you aren't going to be a mod Rainbow!? 

I think you've just been scorned RainbowRising.

 Well put.  Also nicely said by NM Reb:

"The more experience you have (especially against strong players) the sooner you reach this decision."  In reference to choosing resignation over playing out a 'hopeless' position. 

I will occasionally resign, but most often will play on when down material while on-line.  My purpose for on-line play is to learn, and I consider my rating to be a number without any particular "value".  If I play on in a hopeless situation, consider it a compliment, as I expect to learn something of value from you.  If I resign before the final denouement, then consider this a compliment as well - a sign that I appreciate and understand how you have played the better game.  Either way, expect that I will thank you for taking the time to share one of my greatest pleasures...  a simple game of chess. 

I totally agree with this.

I get friend requests all the time so I just presumed you were another little kid who wanted to be friends with 2000 rated guy whos becoming a mod! Sorry!by RainbowRising 24 days ago

So did it all fall through or are you now a mod?

You'd be such a good mod too!  Such skills!