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marvellosity

Reb: yes, that game was indeed a case of playing on for no reason. I have a game against a 2250 at the moment where I'm a queen up in the ending, and I politely informed him that I knew how to win a queen up.

Incidentally, how much of that game was theory in the opening? Black looked to be in trouble extremely early on, but it could well be some fancy theory that I'm not aware of (neither being a d4 player nor a QGA player).

I don't know how Suggo does it either. To be so reviled by absolutely everyone is an achievement that will probably never be matched on this site. I do wonder sometimes that when everyone thinks 'A' and one person thinks 'B', whether it ever occurs to that person that just maybe they've not got it quite right. Apparently not :)

Suggo
Streptomicin wrote:

Suggo this is not helpfull for your social life. Not even in virtual one like chess.com


Omg, does this mean that you won't let me scorn people with you now!!  I'm distraught!  Oh the peer pressure, my social life here will suffer if I do not immediately adopt the behaviour you deem correct!  How will I ever cope?

Suggo
marvellosity wrote:

Reb: yes, that game was indeed a case of playing on for no reason. I have a game against a 2250 at the moment where I'm a queen up in the ending, and I politely informed him that I knew how to win a queen up.

Incidentally, how much of that game was theory in the opening? Black looked to be in trouble extremely early on, but it could well be some fancy theory that I'm not aware of (neither being a d4 player nor a QGA player).

I don't know how Suggo does it either. To be so reviled by absolutely everyone is an achievement that will probably never be matched on this site. I do wonder sometimes that when everyone thinks 'A' and one person thinks 'B', whether it ever occurs to that person that just maybe they've not got it quite right. Apparently not :)


Everyone!??  Everyone thinks "A"!  Wow, out of these threads EVERYONE but me agreed with you guys did they!?  Laughing

And I am hated by "absolutely everyone"!  Absolutely everyone!  Wow again!

Donald_Lee
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TheOldReb
marvellosity wrote:

Reb: yes, that game was indeed a case of playing on for no reason. I have a game against a 2250 at the moment where I'm a queen up in the ending, and I politely informed him that I knew how to win a queen up.

Incidentally, how much of that game was theory in the opening? Black looked to be in trouble extremely early on, but it could well be some fancy theory that I'm not aware of (neither being a d4 player nor a QGA player).

I don't know how Suggo does it either. To be so reviled by absolutely everyone is an achievement that will probably never be matched on this site. I do wonder sometimes that when everyone thinks 'A' and one person thinks 'B', whether it ever occurs to that person that just maybe they've not got it quite right. Apparently not :)


 I use chess assistant and sometimes chessbase. His 6 ....Bg4 is bad and in CA has lost all games after 7 Qb3 but his rsponse of 7.... Be6 is even worse and from there he was never even close to equal.

CPawn

Let me give you one good reason to resign.  In a tournament game you are hopelessly lost.  You opponent has a chance to finish first.  You drag the game out for hours.  You deny your opponent the opportunity to rest before the deciding final round.  Honor your opponent and the opportunity they have.  Have some respect. 

ooda_loop
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bigpoison
marvellosity wrote:

I don't know how Suggo does it either. To be so reviled by absolutely everyone is an achievement that will probably never be matched on this site.


Sounds like a challenge to me!

 

Sure does seem strange to me that someone rated 1900+ would carry on against a similarly rated opponent with only a king left.  Maybe he thinks an NM doesn't know King Pawn endgame?  Fishy...

WharfRat77

Time is valuable. I don't like to have mine wasted; I'd rather start another game than needlessly chase my opponents king for several moves.

Also, I try to have good sportsmanship towards my opponent. If they've demonstrated during the game that they can finish me off (you can tell if an opponent plays chess well or not) than I will resign when the position is hopeless. After playing enough you can tell if you have a slight chance or not most of the time.

I say be respectful and don't waist anyone's time needlessly. Wouldn't you rather start another game?

WharfRat77

A question to the people who "never" resign: Do you keep playing because you think you will have a chance at a stalemate? And how many times have you achieved a stalemate draw?

Gundisalvus

Well, if someone has just obviously played better than you, and your chances of victory have shrunk to virtually nothing, the gentlemanly thing to do is to just resign. I don't want to force someone to play an extra 20 or 30 moves for no real  reason. Plus, it makes me look foolish for not being willing to accept defeat when I've lost.

asampedas
DrawMaster wrote:

I never resign!

I simply slither off to the nearest Starbucks to get a mocha latte and return to find my clock expired. This way I'll have two excuses for my loss that have nothing to do with my inability to play the game well.

Remember:

In chess, it's not how well you play the game, it's how well you game your play.


That's a brilliant quote, DrawMaster!

Anyway, it is possible to turn around a game which looks like it will be lost for you. You just have to tie your remaining pieces and go for the counter-attack. Maybe you could make moves to bring down your opponent's time.

In any chess game, from start to end, it will always be tight. Any two may win it. So we have to grab the opportunity and go for the win. Never give up. Nothing is impossible.

Think about the quote DrawMaster wrote.

Suggo
WharfRat77 wrote:

A question to the people who "never" resign: Do you keep playing because you think you will have a chance at a stalemate? And how many times have you achieved a stalemate draw?


It doesn't really matter why they play on.  It might be to try and achieve a draw or in hope of an amazing blunder from the opposing side...it could be to try and learn how different players close out such a game...it may even be a personal value they hold dear such as "never say die", or they see it the same as many other sports where resigning when down is not the attitude we respect in others....it is their right and those of you who want to pressure others to try and bend them to your ways, ideals and behaviours are, in my opinion, many times worse!  As I have said earlier, if any scorn is deserved, it is scorn that Reb Marv and co receive for trying to impose their ways upon others!

Suggo wrote:

Resign, don't resign....just always remember the choice is yours, and don't allow anyone else to try and dictate to you what you should do in any given situation!


Dietmar
WharfRat77 wrote:

A question to the people who "never" resign: Do you keep playing because you think you will have a chance at a stalemate? And how many times have you achieved a stalemate draw?


If I only knew. Right now, I am playing a game against a guy rated around 1700. He has currently several games (against a variety of players) going where he is hopelessly lost. His method is this: as long as the game is even or he is up he plays at a normal speed. As soon as the position is lost, he will make a move every third day until check mate. Truly pathetic. I sense he would never do this when sitting across an actual opponent. The only real hope is that an opponent runs out of time which I have seen happen once. Certainly, the relative anonymity of online chess (and I guess the internet in general) brings out the lesser qualities in people.

karaoke

its just game an a great game that i love to play when i have no way of winning  yes i resign all the time im running a round the board for an hour i can be playing another fun game  Cool

rooperi
Dietmar wrote:
WharfRat77 wrote:

A question to the people who "never" resign: Do you keep playing because you think you will have a chance at a stalemate? And how many times have you achieved a stalemate draw?


If I only knew. Right now, I am playing a game against a guy rated around 1700. He has currently several games (against a variety of players) going where he is hopelessly lost. His method is this: as long as the game is even or he is up he plays at a normal speed. As soon as the position is lost, he will make a move every third day until check mate. Truly pathetic. I sense he would never do this when sitting across an actual opponent. The only real hope is that an opponent runs out of time which I have seen happen once. Certainly, the relative anonymity of online chess (and I guess the internet in general) brings out the lesser qualities in people.


I have noticed this as well, people slowing down when they lose.... But then I noticed something else. If I make a stupid blunder sometimes, I log off,or just leave the computer, and go make some coffe or something and come back an hour later. I could easily see how my opponent an construe that as delaying tacticts on my part, even if I don't intend it that way.... Maybe it's a question of perception. I feel I need a break, that's my only motivation...

WharfRat77
Dietmar wrote:
WharfRat77 wrote:

A question to the people who "never" resign: Do you keep playing because you think you will have a chance at a stalemate? And how many times have you achieved a stalemate draw?


If I only knew. Right now, I am playing a game against a guy rated around 1700. He has currently several games (against a variety of players) going where he is hopelessly lost. His method is this: as long as the game is even or he is up he plays at a normal speed. As soon as the position is lost, he will make a move every third day until check mate. Truly pathetic. I sense he would never do this when sitting across an actual opponent. The only real hope is that an opponent runs out of time which I have seen happen once. Certainly, the relative anonymity of online chess (and I guess the internet in general) brings out the lesser qualities in people.


 Agreed; to purposefully stall and waist your opponents time is pathetic and spiteful. There is a difference between trying to figure out an unlikely win/draw and trying to delay losing as long as possible.

In correspondence chess it's possible to purposefully drag out a game for weeks/months. This is just rude.

WharfRat77
rooperi wrote:
Dietmar wrote:
WharfRat77 wrote:

A question to the people who "never" resign: Do you keep playing because you think you will have a chance at a stalemate? And how many times have you achieved a stalemate draw?


If I only knew. Right now, I am playing a game against a guy rated around 1700. He has currently several games (against a variety of players) going where he is hopelessly lost. His method is this: as long as the game is even or he is up he plays at a normal speed. As soon as the position is lost, he will make a move every third day until check mate. Truly pathetic. I sense he would never do this when sitting across an actual opponent. The only real hope is that an opponent runs out of time which I have seen happen once. Certainly, the relative anonymity of online chess (and I guess the internet in general) brings out the lesser qualities in people.


I have noticed this as well, people slowing down when they lose.... But then I noticed something else. If I make a stupid blunder sometimes, I log off,or just leave the computer, and go make some coffe or something and come back an hour later. I could easily see how my opponent an construe that as delaying tacticts on my part, even if I don't intend it that way.... Maybe it's a question of perception. I feel I need a break, that's my only motivation...


 This is something I do also.

I'm referring to those who will play out K vs K&R or K vs K&Q for days on purpose.

rooperi
WharfRat77 wrote:

 This is something I do also.

I'm referring to those who will play out K vs K&R or K vs K&Q for days on purpose.


Yeah, the best way to deal with that, I find, is to not make any comments, just play at their pace, and put in the odd conditional move if you have a forced line.

Streptomicin

I can understant that someone wants to see pawn ending, but if one does not know Q+K vs K ending, and he wants to learn that, over and over again, he should give up on chess. First thing I learned after pieces movement was how to mate with K+R vs K.