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ninjaswat
TanyeEast wrote:

The easiest-to-learn and most off-putting gambit to play most often is the Vienna in my opinion. If they don't play along to the position you want, you can easily convert it and the main line is super short. Check Gotham's video and your rating should see an increase.

I do agree, opening prep like that got me to 1600

MegaCharizardLeo
millerd66 wrote:

Thank you! I have tried French recently just to mix it up for sure. Will certainly check out the video. I appreciate it.  Gotta get out of this crappy 900, but no matter where our levels are we are never satisfied right, which is a good thing

You got out of 900, this in the wrong direction

wornaki
TanyeEast wrote:

Learn a gambit bruv. Do you know how many people you will absolutely maul by playing the Danish/Vienna/Englund gambits? Especially at 1000ish ratings, gambits completely rule the board. Don't give into the e4-e5 classical garbage trap.

Also, learn a different but easy-to-play opening against e4. I suggest the Scandinavian or Caro-Kann since it's super easy to set up and immediately puts the white player out of their comfort zone.

tl;dr: GAMBITS ARE YOUR SAVIOR

Ah yes, the infamous advice "learn gambits". Not disputing their efficacy, but I truly think it's sad to reach and keep 1K using gambits as your main weapon and especially so things such as the Englund.

wornaki
ninjaswat wrote:
millerd66 wrote:

I have been playing gambits, love the stafford, and I have been experimenting with the French defense.

 

Thank you

Stafford is less sound than the Englund/Danish

 

It's a sad state of affairs that disgusting gambits are recommended to beginners. It's all about traps/tricks and what not. Don't get me wrong, they "work", but they don't serve you well long term. I'm well aware most people who want to reach and keep 1K don't care about learning to understand chess, so the infamous "Just play gambits" advice is probably very useful to them.

RobertJames_Fisher
MegaCharizardLeo wrote:
millerd66 wrote:

Thank you! I have tried French recently just to mix it up for sure. Will certainly check out the video. I appreciate it.  Gotta get out of this crappy 900, but no matter where our levels are we are never satisfied right, which is a good thing

You got out of 900, this in the wrong direction

Yes, this is true, I was in a tournament and got wacked by some 1100-1200 players and in these tourneys you play each person 2x so that was like 5-6 loses in a row. It is what it is

RobertJames_Fisher
wornaki wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:
millerd66 wrote:

I have been playing gambits, love the stafford, and I have been experimenting with the French defense.

 

Thank you

Stafford is less sound than the Englund/Danish

 

It's a sad state of affairs that disgusting gambits are recommended to beginners. It's all about traps/tricks and what not. Don't get me wrong, they "work", but they don't serve you well long term. I'm well aware most people who want to reach and keep 1K don't care about learning to understand chess, so the infamous "Just play gambits" advice is probably very useful to them.

Gambits for the new player can add some fun to the game right off the bat, but the key it seems at my level is trying to understand why they work

 

TanyeEast
wornaki wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:
millerd66 wrote:

I have been playing gambits, love the stafford, and I have been experimenting with the French defense.

 

Thank you

Stafford is less sound than the Englund/Danish

 

It's a sad state of affairs that disgusting gambits are recommended to beginners. It's all about traps/tricks and what not. Don't get me wrong, they "work", but they don't serve you well long term. I'm well aware most people who want to reach and keep 1K don't care about learning to understand chess, so the infamous "Just play gambits" advice is probably very useful to them.

You may have a point about one-trick gambits that no one learns anything from (Blackburne-shilling, Jordan, etc.), but you're really overexaggerating everything else. Chess is a fundamentally boring game, and it gets way more boring when you have the same classical e4/e5 d4/d5 stuff over and over and over. Gambits spice things up, they give the game a new angle where you have to think critically and not just premove the same classical lines 100x to a draw. Especially with things like the Vienna and Danish, you have to focus on both sides to play a different way, try something new, etc. Gambits aren't all bad at all.

TanyeEast

*Jermome Gambit, mb mb

TanyeEast

**Jerome Gambit, Jesus Christ my keyboard has turned against me

magipi
wornaki wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:
millerd66 wrote:

I have been playing gambits, love the stafford, and I have been experimenting with the French defense.

 

Thank you

Stafford is less sound than the Englund/Danish

 

It's a sad state of affairs that disgusting gambits are recommended to beginners. It's all about traps/tricks and what not. Don't get me wrong, they "work", but they don't serve you well long term. I'm well aware most people who want to reach and keep 1K don't care about learning to understand chess, so the infamous "Just play gambits" advice is probably very useful to them.

I think you just don't understand how gambits work. 99% of gambits are not opening traps. They do not win the game in the opening. They just give you a dynamic position, a lead in development and initiative for a cheap price of a pawn or two. You still have to play chess to actually win the game.

Gambits are just as useful at the 1800 level as they are below 1000.

RobertJames_Fisher

I concur with my limited knowledge gambits seem to sacrifice in the short term for a long term gain

DasBurner
millerd66 wrote:

I concur with my limited knowledge gambits seem to sacrifice in the short term for a long term gain

If you play a sound gambit

wornaki
magipi wrote:
wornaki wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:
millerd66 wrote:

I have been playing gambits, love the stafford, and I have been experimenting with the French defense.

 

Thank you

Stafford is less sound than the Englund/Danish

 

It's a sad state of affairs that disgusting gambits are recommended to beginners. It's all about traps/tricks and what not. Don't get me wrong, they "work", but they don't serve you well long term. I'm well aware most people who want to reach and keep 1K don't care about learning to understand chess, so the infamous "Just play gambits" advice is probably very useful to them.

I think you just don't understand how gambits work. 99% of gambits are not opening traps. They do not win the game in the opening. They just give you a dynamic position, a lead in development and initiative for a cheap price of a pawn or two. You still have to play chess to actually win the game.

Gambits are just as useful at the 1800 level as they are below 1000.

That's why somebody here mentioned the Vienna, the Danish (both, "acceptable") as well as the Englund and the Stafford (absurdly wrong ones), right? LOL

 

ninjaswat
wornaki wrote:
magipi wrote:
wornaki wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:
millerd66 wrote:

I have been playing gambits, love the stafford, and I have been experimenting with the French defense.

 

Thank you

Stafford is less sound than the Englund/Danish

 

It's a sad state of affairs that disgusting gambits are recommended to beginners. It's all about traps/tricks and what not. Don't get me wrong, they "work", but they don't serve you well long term. I'm well aware most people who want to reach and keep 1K don't care about learning to understand chess, so the infamous "Just play gambits" advice is probably very useful to them.

I think you just don't understand how gambits work. 99% of gambits are not opening traps. They do not win the game in the opening. They just give you a dynamic position, a lead in development and initiative for a cheap price of a pawn or two. You still have to play chess to actually win the game.

Gambits are just as useful at the 1800 level as they are below 1000.

That's why somebody here mentioned the Vienna, the Danish (both, "acceptable") as well as the Englund and the Stafford (absurdly wrong ones), right? LOL

 

Yes Danish if they know the mainline you go into an endgame down a pawn, I wouldn't consider it that sound...

TanyeEast
ninjaswat wrote:
wornaki wrote:
magipi wrote:
wornaki wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:
millerd66 wrote:

I have been playing gambits, love the stafford, and I have been experimenting with the French defense.

 

Thank you

Stafford is less sound than the Englund/Danish

 

It's a sad state of affairs that disgusting gambits are recommended to beginners. It's all about traps/tricks and what not. Don't get me wrong, they "work", but they don't serve you well long term. I'm well aware most people who want to reach and keep 1K don't care about learning to understand chess, so the infamous "Just play gambits" advice is probably very useful to them.

I think you just don't understand how gambits work. 99% of gambits are not opening traps. They do not win the game in the opening. They just give you a dynamic position, a lead in development and initiative for a cheap price of a pawn or two. You still have to play chess to actually win the game.

Gambits are just as useful at the 1800 level as they are below 1000.

That's why somebody here mentioned the Vienna, the Danish (both, "acceptable") as well as the Englund and the Stafford (absurdly wrong ones), right? LOL

 

Yes Danish if they know the mainline you go into an endgame down a pawn, I wouldn't consider it that sound...

For 1000s? Ain't no way in hell anybody below 1400 knows the Danish main line, let alone that the Danish gambit even exists

RobertJames_Fisher
TanyeEast wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:
wornaki wrote:
magipi wrote:
wornaki wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:
millerd66 wrote:

I have been playing gambits, love the stafford, and I have been experimenting with the French defense.

 

Thank you

Stafford is less sound than the Englund/Danish

 

It's a sad state of affairs that disgusting gambits are recommended to beginners. It's all about traps/tricks and what not. Don't get me wrong, they "work", but they don't serve you well long term. I'm well aware most people who want to reach and keep 1K don't care about learning to understand chess, so the infamous "Just play gambits" advice is probably very useful to them.

I think you just don't understand how gambits work. 99% of gambits are not opening traps. They do not win the game in the opening. They just give you a dynamic position, a lead in development and initiative for a cheap price of a pawn or two. You still have to play chess to actually win the game.

Gambits are just as useful at the 1800 level as they are below 1000.

That's why somebody here mentioned the Vienna, the Danish (both, "acceptable") as well as the Englund and the Stafford (absurdly wrong ones), right? LOL

 

Yes Danish if they know the mainline you go into an endgame down a pawn, I wouldn't consider it that sound...

For 1000s? Ain't no way in hell anybody below 1400 knows the Danish main line, let alone that the Danish gambit even exists

 

well said! Remember this thread is breaking 1000! I am sure I have fell for some of these in the beginning before I started to study them

 

RobertJames_Fisher

Well I know to many its not a big deal but I have broken 1000. Went from <900 to 1015, but it can go backwards fast if I don't work on basics.  Won some nice matches vs players 1100+, I only say this because we all must have a goal and work towards. I guess the next one is 1500

Dentangle
millerd66 wrote:

Well I know to many its not a big deal but I have broken 1000.

Congrats!

RictorShoue

Great job!

KxKmate
Cheers to your chess improvement and goal achieving!