Checkmate help with queen and bishop

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Staticpawn

Hello all, i just had a very frustrating game, where after outplaying my opponent down to just his king, i still had my queen, light-squared bishop, and a pawn free to run.  Ive been in this situation before where the other person doesnt resign, and instead tries to exploit my lack of knowledge to make me stalemate him.  I did not want this to happen again, so after corning his king and him dancing around my bishop on the dark squares like so:

 

 

i decided to run away and just queen my pawn to be safe.  This is however, very embarassing and if i had to do this in a tournament i would feel quite foolish.   Can someone post a queen bishop checkmate?  Kings help is fine

philidorposition

As far as I know, a bishop and queen can't force a checkmate by their own (if the king starts from the ideal position and plays the best moves), so your king's help is needed. I might be remembering this wrong, though, so don't trust me.

However, when you have another pawn, the easiest way to mate is simply promote it and mate the king with two queens.

lobachevskii

From your initial position play: Ba6, Bc8, Ba8.

King has one move: Kb8.

Mate with the queen: Qb7++

Staticpawn

perfect tysm!!!

pavandlegend
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Escapest_Pawn
I think a problem beginners have is in realizing that their oponent has to move and can be "herded" by denying him squares.  Note the above pattern and note how simple it is.
Although I have not examined it rigorously, I believe the above is close to optimal play for both sides.
Escapest_Pawn

Also try this site for studying all kinds of simpler endgame situations.

http://www.k4it.de/index.php?topic=egtb&lang=en

 

Edit:

I should note for completion's sake, that one of my criteria for my post #6 diagram was that the white king should not be involved, (either moved, or used for "herding" in any way).  Just now, I checked my mating pattern by entering my original situation in the above database link, and they offered multiple paths, the least of which was a mate in 6, but such involved white's king.  No mate shorter than 7 was offered for a pure queen + bishop vs lone king from my starting situation, and my pattern was indeed among them.  I am not bragging so much as claiming that it is simple when the general patterns of herding are known.  More efficient mates involving white's king were trickier.

Pwwn
Staticpawn- you can mate in two moves. First move bishop to c8. This forces his king to b8. Then you mate with queen to b7. Short and sweet.
waffllemaster

Well... seems like you're not looking to where you want to go, so it's no wonder you can't get there.

Notice to mate with a queen and any piece you want her in front of the enemy king (not on the edge of the board, and not diagonally).

So move your bishop to a square that controls a square in front of the enemy king, then move your queen to that square.  As you saw random checks don't make a mate magically appear :p

HGMuller
philidor_position wrote:

As far as I know, a bishop and queen can't force a checkmate by their own (if the king starts from the ideal position and plays the best moves), so your king's help is needed.


Actualy Q+B can easily force checkmate without royal help. It is trivial to drive the bare King to any corner you want with just Q: stand a Knight's jump away from him in the opposit direction, and just mimic his moves. (Be sure the Bishop is out of the way, not attching any squares in the sector you confined the King to, to prevent accidental stalemates.) Of course you have to stop that once he is restricted to 2 squares, say a1 and b1 (so Q on d2). Then use your Bishop to check him on a1 (over b2), or attack a2 while he is on b1, and the next move you can mate him with Qb2# or Qa2#.

This works pretty much for Q + any piece. The only resriction is that the piece should be able to attack one of the squares next to the King, to protect the Queen there when she delivers checkmate. So you can also use it as a strategy for K+Q vs. K: drive wth Q to the corner first, and only then start approaching with the King.

hankas

From your earlier position:

pavandlegend

hankas
pavandlegend wrote:

 


The solution posted by pava is flawed.

apurv14

1.Ba6  Kb8

2.Qb7#

zcccu

here is a Queen-Bishop CheckMate:

 

IpswichMatt
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chessmaster3034

 

chessmaster3034

simples!

PBJ_Chess157

Just learn KQK mate ez gg