How to defend against this opening

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Black_Iverson

Hello, I'm a beginner and my friend has beaten me twice with the same tactic. He basically just overloads the middle and keeps attacking f7 (see diagram), which I now know to be the weakest square for black. I would like to know the answer to these 3 questions:

1. What's the name of the opening

2. How can I defend against this opening? I thought about about copying every single move but I don't think that will help defending f7

3. What's a good trap I can set for him knowing he does this every single time

For some reason everytime I add a diagram it doesn't show. But here are the FEN and PGN for the set up positions for white

FEN: rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/2B1PB2/2NP1N2/PPP2PPP/R2QR1K1 w kq - 0 1

PGN: [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "?"] [Black "?"] [Result "*"] [SetUp "1"] [FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/2B1PB2/2NP1N2/PPP2PPP/R2QR1K1 w kq - 0 1"] *

Black_Iverson
BlueMoon12311 wrote:

When I look into the games you played it seems like you weren't losing to that opening. It looked more like you were blundering too much.   

Actually I didn't play those games on chess.com. I played them on a physical set.

Game_of_Pawns

I was expecting his Queen to be attacking. I'm not sure how the position you give (below) is putting pressure on f7. It just looks like normal development.

 

 

Black_Iverson
Game_of_Pawns wrote:

I was expecting his Queen to be attacking. I'm not sure how the position you give (below) is putting pressure on f7. It just looks like normal development.

 

 

yes that's what I mean. Eventually he moves his knight to G5 and brings out his Queen. My question is basically, when he does this opening, can I just copy it and get away with it?

Ilampozhil25
Black_Iverson wrote:
Game_of_Pawns wrote:

I was expecting his Queen to be attacking. I'm not sure how the position you give (below) is putting pressure on f7. It just looks like normal development.

 

 

yes that's what I mean. Eventually he moves his knight to G5 and brings out his Queen. My question is basically, when he does this opening, can I just copy it and get away with it?

kinda

replace re8 with bg4 and this "attack" fails spectacularily

re8 weakens the f7 pawn. bg4 strengthens it as it pins the knight.

Ilampozhil25

oh yeah also

 

Ilampozhil25

bg4

JoeDodo9
Yes, F7 is the most vulnerable square to black but you can also attack white’s F2 which is the same thing but with white instead
Black_Iverson
Ilampozhil25 wrote: Black_Iverson wrote: Game_of_Pawns wrote:

I was expecting his Queen to be attacking. I'm not sure how the position you give (below) is putting pressure on f7. It just looks like normal development.

 

 

yes that's what I mean. Eventually he moves his knight to G5 and brings out his Queen. My question is basically, when he does this opening, can I just copy it and get away with it?

kinda

replace re8 with bg4 and this "attack" fails spectacularily

re8 weakens the f7 pawn. bg4 strengthens it as it pins the knight.

wow!! chess is amazing. Thank you so much! can't wait to see the look on his face lol

Ilampozhil25

hmm there would still be a game of chess to be played

Ilampozhil25

so its not an auto-win mechanism

Ilampozhil25

but it works against the f7 attack

adityasaxena4

against the f7 attack there is a specific gambit I like to play :

There are lots of traps in this line and there is actually a defensive idea where after Nd4 if white tries d6 you actually have Ne6 to block the bishop and guard f7.

adityasaxena4

you can transpose into these lines or similar from a Bishops Opening or a Vienna Game: Anderssen defence with Bc5 transposed to Guioco Piano or as Hikaru would call it Gucci Piano

Black_Iverson
Ilampozhil25 wrote:

hmm there would still be a game of chess to be played

yes, all I was looking for was a way to survive the initial attack. In an open game I believe that I'm better than him.

Totally_Winsome

IMHO I think you go wrong in your third move.  Instead of moving your dark bishop to c5, try moving your knight to d4 and play it as the Blackburn Shilling Gambit.  This tempts white to take the center pawn, which he perceives as free, with the intention of forking your queen and rook on his next move with his knight.  But if white does that, black has a mate in three, on the 7th move.  Blackburn Shilling Gambit is a short game, only 7 moves.  If he doesn't take the bait, if he takes your knight instead of your pawn, then you are obligated to move your queen to f6, which he will answer with queen to f3, then trade queens with him whether he likes it or not.  If he does not take the gambit, but you trade queens, you will still win, if you don't fumble, but it will be a longer game.  

blackburn shilling gambit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayfo1CfaMAc

 

 

 

 

Ilampozhil25
Totally_Winsome wrote:

IMHO I think you go wrong in your third move.  Instead of moving your dark bishop to c5, try moving your knight to d4 and play it as the Blackburn Shilling Gambit.  This tempts white to take the center pawn, which he perceives as free, with the intention of forking your queen and rook on his next move with his knight.  But if white does that, black has a mate in three, on the 7th move.  Blackburn Shilling Gambit is a short game, only 7 moves.  If he doesn't take the bait, if he takes your knight instead of your pawn, then you are obligated to move your queen to f6, which he will answer with queen to f3, then trade queens with him whether he likes it or not.  If he does not take the gambit, but you trade queens, you will still win, if you don't fumble, but it will be a longer game.  

blackburn shilling gambit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayfo1CfaMAc

 

 

 

 

no no no no no no no no no no no nd4 is bad dont play it ever it is cheap

 

Ilampozhil25

duh just play nf3 and your up a knight knights move backward

adityasaxena4
Ilampozhil25 wrote:

duh just play nf3 and your up a knight knights move backward

These are exactly my thoughts as well 3.d5 is better than 3.Nd4

adityasaxena4
Ilampozhil25 wrote:
Totally_Winsome wrote:

IMHO I think you go wrong in your third move.  Instead of moving your dark bishop to c5, try moving your knight to d4 and play it as the Blackburn Shilling Gambit.  This tempts white to take the center pawn, which he perceives as free, with the intention of forking your queen and rook on his next move with his knight.  But if white does that, black has a mate in three, on the 7th move.  Blackburn Shilling Gambit is a short game, only 7 moves.  If he doesn't take the bait, if he takes your knight instead of your pawn, then you are obligated to move your queen to f6, which he will answer with queen to f3, then trade queens with him whether he likes it or not.  If he does not take the gambit, but you trade queens, you will still win, if you don't fumble, but it will be a longer game.  

blackburn shilling gambit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayfo1CfaMAc

 

 

 

 

no no no no no no no no no no no nd4 is bad dont play it ever it is cheap

 

My point exactly