How to react to Black Pawns Triangle defense

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blueemu
sasadangelo wrote:

Thank you, everyone. Blueemi I see this game on Internet as a defense. Quite complicated but it's clear. However, I have a doubt. On the Internet, a classical Damiano defense is: e4, e5, Nf3, f6 ... and then not necessarily the d6 of my opponent  like in this game:

https://www.chess.com/game/live/30494370735

Considering this small difference we can still talk about Damiano's defense? I ask this just to understand if I really need to focus on Damiano's defense to neutralize this recurring defense I noticed during my game.

White will normally answer 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f6 with 3. Nxe5 as given in my post above.

tygxc

#21
Defining move by white = opening, defining move by black = defence.
Sacrifice of a pawn = gambit.

sasadangelo

Thanks

ThrillerFan
tygxc wrote:

#21
Defining move by white = opening, defining move by black = defence.
Sacrifice of a pawn = gambit.

 

If You define moves by White as an "Opening", then explain the following that are not labeled as "Openings" but rather Systems, Attacks, Games, or nothing beyond the name?

 

Colle SYSTEM

London SYSTEM

Torre ATTACK

King's Indian ATTACK

The CATALAN

Scotch GAME

Italian GAME

RUY LOPEZ (When listed as the Spanish, it is the Spanish Opening, but the Ruy Lopez is simply THE Ruy Lopez!)

Trompowsky ATTACK

The VERESOV

Jobava ATTACK

The ORANGUTAN

The GROB

 

SMH!

tygxc

#25

Colle SYSTEM: System is a term to denote various move orders to reach the same setup

London SYSTEM: System is a term to denote various move orders to reach the same setup

Torre ATTACK: Attack is a term for a reverse defence played by white with an extra tempo

King's Indian ATTACK: Attack is a term for a reverse defence played by white with an extra tempo

The CATALAN: just shorthand for Catalan opening

Scotch GAME: also Scotch opening

Italian GAME: also Italian opening, or Giuoco Piano. Game is the translation of the Italian giuoco. This was first mentioned in manuscripts by Greco in the 17th century.

RUY LOPEZ (When listed as the Spanish, it is the Spanish Opening, but the Ruy Lopez is simply THE Ruy Lopez!): Also Spanish game

Trompowsky ATTACK: Attack is a term for a reverse defence played by white with an extra tempo

The VERESOV: Richter–Veresov Attack or Veresov Opening

Jobava ATTACK: Jobava London system

The ORANGUTAN: Sokolsky Opening or Orangutan Opening

The GROB: Grob's Attack

blueemu

No offense, but arguing over the names of variations isn't chess.

It's stamp collecting.

Sred
sasadangelo wrote:

Thank you, everyone. Blueemi I see this game on Internet as a defense. Quite complicated but it's clear. However, I have a doubt. On the Internet, a classical Damiano defense is: e4, e5, Nf3, f6 ... and then not necessarily the d6 of my opponent  like in this game:

https://www.chess.com/game/live/30494370735

Considering this small difference we can still talk about Damiano's defense? I ask this just to understand if I really need to focus on Damiano's defense to neutralize this recurring defense I noticed during my game.

Against Damiano's defense you can really play 3.Nxe5 as explained above. If the opponent takes the Knight, you will checkmate or win a decisive amount of material. You only need to know two or three forced lines here. If the opponent plays 3...Qe7 instead, retreat with 4.Nf3, give up the extra pawn and enjoy your development advantage and the exposed Black Queen.

If you focus on your elementary tactics as suggested, you will soon reach a level where almost nobody plays that stuff anyway.

sasadangelo
Sred ha scritto:
sasadangelo wrote:

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Against Damiano's defense, you can really play 3.Nxe5 as explained above. If the opponent takes the Knight, you will checkmate or win a decisive amount of material. You only need to know two or three forced lines here. If the opponent plays 3...Qe7 instead, retreat with 4.Nf3, give up the extra pawn and enjoy your development advantage and the exposed Black Queen.

If you focus on your elementary tactics as suggested, you will soon reach a level where almost nobody plays that stuff anyway.

 

Hi Sred,

Thank you for your reply. Now it's clear to me. Thank you also for tygxc to help us with a bit of terminology.

RussBell

If the word "opening" appears in the name of the opening, that is an indication that White has played the initial move, or move sequence, which defines the initial character of the specific opening.  If the word "defense" (or "defence", if you prefer) appears in the name of the opening, it is because a move or sequence of moves performed by Black has defined the initial character of the opening.  Black, which always plays a move behind, is considered to be the defender in chess.  However, if neither the word "defense" nor the word "opening" appears in the name, then there is obviously no indication as to which player defines the initial character of the opening.

Improving Your Chess - Resources for Beginners and Beyond...

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell/improving-your-chess-resources-for-beginners-and-beyond

orlock20

If you don't like black playing the pyramid pawn openings, play an opening with two pawns in the center such as the Queen's Gambit or the King's Gambit and either the opponent will move their most forward pawn to take one of your pawns or you will take their most forward pawn.  I like the Colle System turned into the Queen Gambit Declined although it sometimes turns into the Queen Gambit Accepted.

Also stop taking guarded pawns with back row pieces.

tygxc

#31

"play an opening with two pawns in the center such as the Queen's Gambit"
That is not true: 1 d4 d5 2 c4 c6 3 Nc3 e6 is viable.
It is after 1 e4 that the triangle is weak.

sasadangelo
orlock20 ha scritto:

Also, stop taking guarded pawns with back-row pieces.

 

What does it mean?

MisterWindUpBird
sasadangelo wrote:
orlock20 ha scritto:

Also, stop taking guarded pawns with back-row pieces.

 

What does it mean?

It means trading one of your pieces- bishop, knight, rook, queen for a pawn is usually not a good idea.