Forums

huge difference between blitz and rapid rating

Sort:
Stil1
GlonzoHonzo wrote:
Like how can I be almost a 1400 in rapid but a 900 in blitz (dropped by 150 from where it was at 1050 about a week ago. Anyone want to fill me in on how this could be?

For many players, blitz is simply harder.

This is because in blitz, you have less time to think. Less thinking time = greater difficulty.

The good news is, this becomes easier the more you do it. Experience is the key. If you want to improve at the time-management required to play blitz, then you need to play a lot more blitz.

(Though I'd recommend playing at various different timers, to avoid developing bad habits. A mix of fast and slow chess would be a nice way to keep things varied.)

Shaun67isthebest

Same to me.. 800+ bullet 492 blitz haha

babonday

I had same question. As usual answers miss the point. my point is: why is m,y score differnt?

is it calcualted differntly? is blitz rating the same as rapid rating???

 

If so , its stange iam only a 200 blitz and a 550 rapid..  i play the same amount of games. 

 

dude0812
astronomer111 wrote:

^^^^That argument doesn't hold water. Ratings here are calculated based on several hundred thousand active players. Unless a strong player has literally hundreds of accounts they won't be taking enough points out of the ratings pool to have a significant effect on the whole pool.

Your stance is demonstrably wrong. Rapid ratings are inflated compared to blitz rating. Here's the data. 1400 rapid maps to 1250 blitz. https://www.chessratingcomparison.com/Graphs

Saagnik2212

Hihi

maxkho2
babonday wrote:

I had same question. As usual answers miss the point. my point is: why is m,y score differnt?

is it calcualted differntly? is blitz rating the same as rapid rating???

 

If so , its stange iam only a 200 blitz and a 550 rapid..  i play the same amount of games. 

 

200 Blitz and 500 Rapid are equivalent.

Debarpan098

Hi

Devvyce

Same for me. Only started in chess about a month ago, going at it pretty hardcore since then. I'm pretty proud of my calculation skill progress in slow-paced modes, as I can already compete with 1400-1500 bots and humans there. Yesterday I first tried Blitz and it has fried my brain since. Even 700s feel so strong and they all feel so much faster than me, I would trash them in a slow game. I won some games last minute with tactics after being down material, but it's a struggle still. I guess I just need much more experience to consistently make decent snap calls in fast-paced chess. Currently I'm relying all on careful consideration & calculation, no intuition.

chess_olie

my rapid is 2130 and my blitz is 1623 even though my blitz win rate is more than my rapid win rate🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

coachalexstriking

Rapid 1175

Blitz 840

Bullet 781

Daily 880

DataBlast023

I am 1100 daily, but 600 blitz. It seems that blitz rating is half the rating of other formats. So a 3000 player would only be 1500 in blitz. That's really confusing when people say 1000-1500 is novice rating.

AerryChris

I was watching an episode of perpetual chess regarding Neimann in which they had a foremost chess statistician show the science behind rating drops/curves etc and basically demonstrating Neimann fits within the norm once you adjust for rating freezes during 2020. Anyway, one of the things he looked at was the rating drop when you remove time from a player. The average GM loses about 700 points during blitz and the longer they play blitz, so let's say, 6 hours off it, the higher this drop gets. So you should not be surprised with more time, you do better.

Kraig
AerryChris wrote:

The average GM loses about 700 points during blitz and the longer they play blitz, so let's say, 6 hours off it, the higher this drop gets. So you should not be surprised with more time, you do better.


What does this mean? A GM loses 700 points during blitz? This isn't my observation, and in fact, Hikaru said playing blitz actually contributed to him getting better.

AerryChris
Kraig wrote:
AerryChris wrote:

The average GM loses about 700 points during blitz and the longer they play blitz, so let's say, 6 hours off it, the higher this drop gets. So you should not be surprised with more time, you do better.


What does this mean? A GM loses 700 points during blitz? This isn't my observation, and in fact, Hikaru said playing blitz actually contributed to him getting better.


Hopefully this will help, but its the overall quality of play. Whether or not Hikaru says that, the Data is pretty clear. He runs through it all here (Started it at relevant part, theres a lot in here about deviant curves, center pawn loss etc) :

https://youtu.be/UsEIBzm5msU?t=478

DataBlast023

If everyone plays worse, doesn't that mean that ratings should stay about the same, since ratings are a measure of how one player does against the rest of the player pool? Ratings should only be lower if the player pool is tougher overall, rather than just objective accuracy going down across the board, isn't that right?

stitchedpeanut
WilliamWinotaWonkieWonk wrote:

Same for me. Only started in chess about a month ago, going at it pretty hardcore since then. I'm pretty proud of my calculation skill progress in slow-paced modes, as I can already compete with 1400-1500 bots and humans there. Yesterday I first tried Blitz and it has fried my brain since. Even 700s feel so strong and they all feel so much faster than me, I would trash them in a slow game. I won some games last minute with tactics after being down material, but it's a struggle still. I guess I just need much more experience to consistently make decent snap calls in fast-paced chess. Currently I'm relying all on careful consideration & calculation, no intuition.

I feel like my experience has been similar. I just recently got back into chess, and made it to 1350 rapid quite easily. However, I've struggled mightily in the few blitz games I've played, because I don't have the time to calculate. I feel like one reason for the discrepancy could be that blitz is more based around experience and intuition, while rapid allows for calculation. Newer/lower ELO players have higher rapid than blitz ratings because they lack this intuition.