Bb4 is a weird move, I don't think it loses on the spot but it's definitely giving an advantage to white.
And yes it is.
Is black doomed?
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Mar 6, 2022
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#3
Does it lead to white inevitably ending up having more material than black?
Mar 6, 2022
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#4
So you get refuted by a title player in one thread so you make another? Just play normal moves
Mar 7, 2022
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#5
JTorreslolz wrote:
So you get refuted by a title player in one thread so you make another? Just play normal moves
Refuted implied I was disagreeing, I never disagreed with the titled player, as a matter of fact I actually agreed with everything he said, I learnt a lot from him and questioned him in the same way that I am taught to question a really good teacher, the titled player was a very good teacher and me questioning him enabled me to learn more from him, good teachers love being questioned and he was very patient with me as he also had his own prep and tournaments to consider.
Mar 7, 2022
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#6
thelondonsystrn wrote:
JTorreslolz wrote:
So you get refuted by a title player in one thread so you make another? Just play normal moves
Refuted implied I was disagreeing, I never disagreed with the titled player, as a matter of fact I actually agreed with everything he said, I learnt a lot from him and questioned him in the same way that I am taught to question a really good teacher, the titled player was a very good teacher and me questioning him enabled me to learn more from him, good teachers love being questioned and he was very patient with me as he also had his own prep and tournaments to consider.
If he is a great teacher then he would’ve provided an adequate answer, why ask again?
Mar 7, 2022
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#7
JTorreslolz wrote:
thelondonsystrn wrote:
JTorreslolz wrote:
So you get refuted by a title player in one thread so you make another? Just play normal moves
Refuted implied I was disagreeing, I never disagreed with the titled player, as a matter of fact I actually agreed with everything he said, I learnt a lot from him and questioned him in the same way that I am taught to question a really good teacher, the titled player was a very good teacher and me questioning him enabled me to learn more from him, good teachers love being questioned and he was very patient with me as he also had his own prep and tournaments to consider.
If he is a great teacher then he would’ve provided an adequate answer, why ask again?
The answers that he provided to all my questions were good, I just had more questions to ask, as the fact that he only had limited time to answer all of my questions.
Mar 7, 2022
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thelondonsystrn wrote:
1.e4 e5 2.nf3 nc6 3.bc4 bb4 4c3
Is whites main goal to push d4 after going C3?
Black's 3. ... Bb4 is simply a bad move. After 4. c3 White has a huge advantage. Possibly not winning by force, but White is far better off than he is in normal lines.
Mar 7, 2022
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#9
blueemu wrote:
thelondonsystrn wrote:
1.e4 e5 2.nf3 nc6 3.bc4 bb4 4c3
Is whites main goal to push d4 after going C3?
Black's 3. ... Bb4 is simply a bad move. After 4. c3 White has a huge advantage. Possibly not winning by force, but White is far better off than he is in normal lines.
Does this huge advantage result in black losing material?
Mar 7, 2022
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#10
thelondonsystrn wrote:
blueemu wrote:
thelondonsystrn wrote:
1.e4 e5 2.nf3 nc6 3.bc4 bb4 4c3
Is whites main goal to push d4 after going C3?
Black's 3. ... Bb4 is simply a bad move. After 4. c3 White has a huge advantage. Possibly not winning by force, but White is far better off than he is in normal lines.
Does this huge advantage result in black losing material?
Material isn’t the only thing that matters in a chess game
Mar 7, 2022
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#11
It doesn’t lose material for Black it’s just a waste of time. Compared with a normal situation where Black has played 3…Bc5 4.c3, Black can play …Nf6, but after 3…Bb4 he’s having to needlessly waste more time moving the B again.
Mar 7, 2022
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#13
Put it this way...
The Evans Gambit:
... is pretty much equal.
The line you've offered:
... is like an Evans Gambit, but White has a whole extra Pawn.
So he has a Pawn more than he would have had in an equal (Evans Gambit) position.
Mar 8, 2022
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#14
blueemu wrote:
Put it this way...
The Evans Gambit:
... is pretty much equal.
The line you've offered:
... is like an Evans Gambit, but White has a whole extra Pawn.
So he has a Pawn more than he would have had in an equal (Evans Gambit) position.
The Evans gambit isn't equal, it's imbalanced.
The Evans gambit is a pawn down compared to the other line, although the Evans gambit has a space advantage.
Mar 8, 2022
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#15
JamesColeman wrote:
It doesn’t lose material for Black it’s just a waste of time. Compared with a normal situation where Black has played 3…Bc5 4.c3, Black can play …Nf6, but after 3…Bb4 he’s having to needlessly waste more time moving the B again.
Is the main problem basically that it is just a very poor and weak defense against white?
Mar 8, 2022
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#16
thelondonsystrn wrote:
blueemu wrote:
Put it this way...
The Evans Gambit:
... is pretty much equal.
The line you've offered:
... is like an Evans Gambit, but White has a whole extra Pawn.
So he has a Pawn more than he would have had in an equal (Evans Gambit) position.
The Evans gambit isn't equal, it's imbalanced.
The Evans gambit is a pawn down compared to the other line, although the Evans gambit has a space advantage.
My point is that in the line you've offered, White gets ALL the advantages that the Evans Gambit offers WITHOUT sacrificing a Pawn. In effect, he's playing an Evans Gambit, a Pawn up.
In the Big Database (with players of all strengths included), the Evans scores 47.3% White wins, 18.9% draws, and 33.8% Black wins. Total: 56.75% for White.
In the Small Database (Master games only), Black does better (30/38/32, total 52% for Black) but those numbers are still well inside the "Equal" range.
The line you suggest (1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bb4) scores 74.6% White wins, 10% draws and only 16.6% Black wins. Total: 79.4% for White. It isn't in the Masters database at all, since it's so obviously a bad move.
Mar 8, 2022
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#17
blueemu wrote:
thelondonsystrn wrote:
blueemu wrote:
Put it this way...
The Evans Gambit:
... is pretty much equal.
The line you've offered:
... is like an Evans Gambit, but White has a whole extra Pawn.
So he has a Pawn more than he would have had in an equal (Evans Gambit) position.
The Evans gambit isn't equal, it's imbalanced.
The Evans gambit is a pawn down compared to the other line, although the Evans gambit has a space advantage.
My point is that in the line you've offered, White gets ALL the advantages that the Evans Gambit offers WITHOUT sacrificing a Pawn. In effect, he's playing an Evans Gambit, a Pawn up.
In the Big Database (with players of all strengths included), the Evans scores 47.3% White wins, 18.9% draws, and 33.8% Black wins. Total: 56.75% for White.
In the Small Database (Master games only), Black does better (30/38/32, total 52% for Black) but those numbers are still well inside the "Equal" range.
The line you suggest (1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bb4) scores 74.6% White wins, 10% draws and only 16.6% Black wins. Total: 79.4% for White. It isn't in the Masters database at all, since it's so obviously a bad move.
The missing pawn in the Evans gambit is also it's greatest strength, the line I have shown with the pawn still being there as opposed to its absence plays differently to the Evans gambit.
The fact that the Evans gambit is missing a pawn gives it a space advantage as well as an activity advantage that 1.e4 e5 2.nf3 nc6 3.bc4 bb4 4.c3 doesn't have, therefore it isn't necessarily superior to the Evans gambit for white.
Mar 8, 2022
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#18
thelondonsystrn wrote:
blueemu wrote:
thelondonsystrn wrote:
blueemu wrote:
Put it this way...
The Evans Gambit:
... is pretty much equal.
The line you've offered:
... is like an Evans Gambit, but White has a whole extra Pawn.
So he has a Pawn more than he would have had in an equal (Evans Gambit) position.
The Evans gambit isn't equal, it's imbalanced.
The Evans gambit is a pawn down compared to the other line, although the Evans gambit has a space advantage.
My point is that in the line you've offered, White gets ALL the advantages that the Evans Gambit offers WITHOUT sacrificing a Pawn. In effect, he's playing an Evans Gambit, a Pawn up.
In the Big Database (with players of all strengths included), the Evans scores 47.3% White wins, 18.9% draws, and 33.8% Black wins. Total: 56.75% for White.
In the Small Database (Master games only), Black does better (30/38/32, total 52% for Black) but those numbers are still well inside the "Equal" range.
The line you suggest (1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bb4) scores 74.6% White wins, 10% draws and only 16.6% Black wins. Total: 79.4% for White. It isn't in the Masters database at all, since it's so obviously a bad move.
The missing pawn in the Evans gambit is also it's greatest strength, the line I have shown with the pawn still being there as opposed to its absence plays differently to the Evans gambit.
The fact that the Evans gambit is missing a pawn gives it a space advantage as well as an activity advantage that 1.e4 e5 2.nf3 nc6 3.bc4 bb4 4.c3 doesn't have, therefore it isn't necessarily superior to the Evans gambit for white.
And how does your theory address the FACT that White gets 56% results in the Evans but over 79% results in the line you've offered?
Mar 8, 2022
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#19
NervesofButter wrote:
thelondonsystrn wrote:
blueemu wrote:
thelondonsystrn wrote:
blueemu wrote:
Put it this way...
The Evans Gambit:
... is pretty much equal.
The line you've offered:
... is like an Evans Gambit, but White has a whole extra Pawn.
So he has a Pawn more than he would have had in an equal (Evans Gambit) position.
The Evans gambit isn't equal, it's imbalanced.
The Evans gambit is a pawn down compared to the other line, although the Evans gambit has a space advantage.
My point is that in the line you've offered, White gets ALL the advantages that the Evans Gambit offers WITHOUT sacrificing a Pawn. In effect, he's playing an Evans Gambit, a Pawn up.
In the Big Database (with players of all strengths included), the Evans scores 47.3% White wins, 18.9% draws, and 33.8% Black wins. Total: 56.75% for White.
In the Small Database (Master games only), Black does better (30/38/32, total 52% for Black) but those numbers are still well inside the "Equal" range.
The line you suggest (1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bb4) scores 74.6% White wins, 10% draws and only 16.6% Black wins. Total: 79.4% for White. It isn't in the Masters database at all, since it's so obviously a bad move.
The missing pawn in the Evans gambit is also it's greatest strength, the line I have shown with the pawn still being there as opposed to its absence plays differently to the Evans gambit.
The fact that the Evans gambit is missing a pawn gives it a space advantage as well as an activity advantage that 1.e4 e5 2.nf3 nc6 3.bc4 bb4 4.c3 doesn't have, therefore it isn't necessarily superior to the Evans gambit for white.
Pawns determine space advantage. The missing b-pawn does not add to whites space advantage, The missing b-pawn gives white potential piece activity due to the semi open b-file.
Is 1.e4 e5 2.nc3 nf6 3.bc4 bb4 4.c3 a very poor defense for black, in other words black is left with a very poor defense?
Mar 8, 2022
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#20
NervesofButter wrote:
thelondonsystrn wrote:
blueemu wrote:
thelondonsystrn wrote:
blueemu wrote:
Put it this way...
The Evans Gambit:
... is pretty much equal.
The line you've offered:
... is like an Evans Gambit, but White has a whole extra Pawn.
So he has a Pawn more than he would have had in an equal (Evans Gambit) position.
The Evans gambit isn't equal, it's imbalanced.
The Evans gambit is a pawn down compared to the other line, although the Evans gambit has a space advantage.
My point is that in the line you've offered, White gets ALL the advantages that the Evans Gambit offers WITHOUT sacrificing a Pawn. In effect, he's playing an Evans Gambit, a Pawn up.
In the Big Database (with players of all strengths included), the Evans scores 47.3% White wins, 18.9% draws, and 33.8% Black wins. Total: 56.75% for White.
In the Small Database (Master games only), Black does better (30/38/32, total 52% for Black) but those numbers are still well inside the "Equal" range.
The line you suggest (1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bb4) scores 74.6% White wins, 10% draws and only 16.6% Black wins. Total: 79.4% for White. It isn't in the Masters database at all, since it's so obviously a bad move.
The missing pawn in the Evans gambit is also it's greatest strength, the line I have shown with the pawn still being there as opposed to its absence plays differently to the Evans gambit.
The fact that the Evans gambit is missing a pawn gives it a space advantage as well as an activity advantage that 1.e4 e5 2.nf3 nc6 3.bc4 bb4 4.c3 doesn't have, therefore it isn't necessarily superior to the Evans gambit for white.
Pawns determine space advantage. The missing b-pawn does not add to whites space advantage, The missing b-pawn gives white potential piece activity due to the semi open b-file.
So you recommend giving away all your Pawns?
1.e4 e5 2.nf3 nc6 3.bc4 bb4 4c3
Is whites main goal to push d4 after going C3?