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thelondonsystrn

What is the state of this?

RAU4ever

Move 3 violation of opening principles, so better for white. White can play d4 and have a nice position. Nothing completely lost just yet though, but nice for white.

thelondonsystrn
RAU4ever wrote:

Move 3 violation of opening principles, so better for white. White can play d4 and have a nice position. Nothing completely lost just yet though, but nice for white.

Can white seize a tempo advantage?

TDM_NICKY

White has an advantage

RAU4ever
thelondonsystrn wrote:
RAU4ever wrote:

Move 3 violation of opening principles, so better for white. White can play d4 and have a nice position. Nothing completely lost just yet though, but nice for white.

Can white seize a tempo advantage?

Well 3. ...a5 is giving away a tempo. Since white may start, he is always up a tempo, but now 2. The question is whether he can make the tempo count. The thing is, in e4-e5 structures that is harder than it might seem. For example, moving ..a5 is a possible line in quite a few Italians (with Bc4) and Ruy Lopez (with Bb5). That's why I'm suggesting 4. d4. This hopefully will open up the position, where you can take advantage of the tempo black lost. 

But it's difficult stuff to take advantage of an advantage in time. If you just keep developing, you'll get a reasonable position too. And if your opponent makes some more unnecessary pawn moves, you'll easily get a big advantage if you just make sure that you develop all of your pieces and then open up the position with a pawn break.

thelondonsystrn
TDM_NICKY wrote:

White has an advantage

What type of advantage?

thelondonsystrn
RAU4ever wrote:
thelondonsystrn wrote:
RAU4ever wrote:

Move 3 violation of opening principles, so better for white. White can play d4 and have a nice position. Nothing completely lost just yet though, but nice for white.

Can white seize a tempo advantage?

Well 3. ...a5 is giving away a tempo. Since white may start, he is always up a tempo, but now 2. The question is whether he can make the tempo count. The thing is, in e4-e5 structures that is harder than it might seem. For example, moving ..a5 is a possible line in quite a few Italians (with Bc4) and Ruy Lopez (with Bb5). That's why I'm suggesting 4. d4. This hopefully will open up the position, where you can take advantage of the tempo black lost. 

But it's difficult stuff to take advantage of an advantage in time. If you just keep developing, you'll get a reasonable position too. And if your opponent makes some more unnecessary pawn moves, you'll easily get a big advantage if you just make sure that you develop all of your pieces and then open up the position with a pawn break.

What counts as an unnecessary pawn move?

RAU4ever
thelondonsystrn wrote:
RAU4ever wrote:
thelondonsystrn wrote:
RAU4ever wrote:

Move 3 violation of opening principles, so better for white. White can play d4 and have a nice position. Nothing completely lost just yet though, but nice for white.

Can white seize a tempo advantage?

Well 3. ...a5 is giving away a tempo. Since white may start, he is always up a tempo, but now 2. The question is whether he can make the tempo count. The thing is, in e4-e5 structures that is harder than it might seem. For example, moving ..a5 is a possible line in quite a few Italians (with Bc4) and Ruy Lopez (with Bb5). That's why I'm suggesting 4. d4. This hopefully will open up the position, where you can take advantage of the tempo black lost. 

But it's difficult stuff to take advantage of an advantage in time. If you just keep developing, you'll get a reasonable position too. And if your opponent makes some more unnecessary pawn moves, you'll easily get a big advantage if you just make sure that you develop all of your pieces and then open up the position with a pawn break.

What counts as an unnecessary pawn move?

Any pawn move that is not aimed to control the center. So ...h6, ...a5 etc. Basically any pawn move costs time that you could spend on developing your pieces. It usually isn't worth the time to spend a pawn move that doesn't aim to control the center. And even then too many pawn moves can be very bad. 

thelondonsystrn
RAU4ever wrote:
thelondonsystrn wrote:
RAU4ever wrote:
thelondonsystrn wrote:
RAU4ever wrote:

Move 3 violation of opening principles, so better for white. White can play d4 and have a nice position. Nothing completely lost just yet though, but nice for white.

Can white seize a tempo advantage?

Well 3. ...a5 is giving away a tempo. Since white may start, he is always up a tempo, but now 2. The question is whether he can make the tempo count. The thing is, in e4-e5 structures that is harder than it might seem. For example, moving ..a5 is a possible line in quite a few Italians (with Bc4) and Ruy Lopez (with Bb5). That's why I'm suggesting 4. d4. This hopefully will open up the position, where you can take advantage of the tempo black lost. 

But it's difficult stuff to take advantage of an advantage in time. If you just keep developing, you'll get a reasonable position too. And if your opponent makes some more unnecessary pawn moves, you'll easily get a big advantage if you just make sure that you develop all of your pieces and then open up the position with a pawn break.

What counts as an unnecessary pawn move?

Any pawn move that is not aimed to control the center. So ...h6, ...a5 etc. Basically any pawn move costs time that you could spend on developing your pieces. It usually isn't worth the time to spend a pawn move that doesn't aim to control the center. And even then too many pawn moves can be very bad. 

After 4.d4 the only possible move for black is to go 4... exd4 otherwise black loses material. I looked through the next subsequent moves for the alternatives and none of them seem to be good,

tygxc

4 c3 to prepare 4 d4 should be enough to win for white: he gets a solid control over the center.

thelondonsystrn
tygxc wrote:

4 c3 to prepare 4 d4 should be enough to win for white: he gets a solid control over the center.

4c3 and 4d4? White gets to move twice in one move, definitely winning.

MakeDeal

I don't understand the plan with 3. - a5

 

White can continue with 4. c3 and if 4. - Nf6 5. Ng5!

thelondonsystrn
MakeDeal wrote:

I don't understand the plan with 3. - a5

 

White can continue with 4. c3 and if 4. - Nf6 5. Ng5!

How is this bad?

RAU4ever
tygxc wrote:

4 c3 to prepare 4 d4 should be enough to win for white: he gets a solid control over the center.

Any move not winning material but still winning the game on move 4 had better be checkmate, otherwise I'm not buying it. 

Also I disagree that 4. c3 and then 5. d4 is winning at all. In fact, I've chosen 4. d4 because I think 4. c3 is not good enough.

MakeDeal
thelondonsystrn wrote:
MakeDeal wrote:

I don't understand the plan with 3. - a5

 

White can continue with 4. c3 and if 4. - Nf6 5. Ng5!

How is this bad?

 

It's similar to two knights defence with a tempo up with c3 for white since a5 for black is useless in this line. Can't be bad for white then. f7 is weak point.

 

MakeDeal
RAU4ever wrote:
tygxc wrote:

4 c3 to prepare 4 d4 should be enough to win for white: he gets a solid control over the center.

Any move not winning material but still winning the game on move 4 had better be checkmate, otherwise I'm not buying it. 

Also I disagree that 4. c3 and then 5. d4 is winning at all. In fact, I've chosen 4. d4 because I think 4. c3 is not good enough.

I think 4. c3 should be strong. Black can't play 4. - Nf6 to counterattack the centre so there is no way to prevent 5. d4 giving white a strong centre.

thelondonsystrn
RAU4ever wrote:
tygxc wrote:

4 c3 to prepare 4 d4 should be enough to win for white: he gets a solid control over the center.

Any move not winning material but still winning the game on move 4 had better be checkmate, otherwise I'm not buying it. 

Also I disagree that 4. c3 and then 5. d4 is winning at all. In fact, I've chosen 4. d4 because I think 4. c3 is not good enough.

 A position can still be completely lost due to having no compensation against an opponent with great advantages.

thelondonsystrn
MakeDeal wrote:
thelondonsystrn wrote:
MakeDeal wrote:

I don't understand the plan with 3. - a5

 

White can continue with 4. c3 and if 4. - Nf6 5. Ng5!

How is this bad?

 

It's similar to two knights defence with a tempo up with c3 for white since a5 for black is useless in this line. Can't be bad for white then. f7 is weak point.

 

Is being a tempo down losing?

MakeDeal
thelondonsystrn wrote:
MakeDeal wrote:
thelondonsystrn wrote:
MakeDeal wrote:

I don't understand the plan with 3. - a5

 

White can continue with 4. c3 and if 4. - Nf6 5. Ng5!

How is this bad?

 

It's similar to two knights defence with a tempo up with c3 for white since a5 for black is useless in this line. Can't be bad for white then. f7 is weak point.

 

Is being a tempo down losing?

No, but it's a disadvantage.

thelondonsystrn
MakeDeal wrote:
thelondonsystrn wrote:
MakeDeal wrote:
thelondonsystrn wrote:
MakeDeal wrote:

I don't understand the plan with 3. - a5

 

White can continue with 4. c3 and if 4. - Nf6 5. Ng5!

How is this bad?

 

It's similar to two knights defence with a tempo up with c3 for white since a5 for black is useless in this line. Can't be bad for white then. f7 is weak point.

 

Is being a tempo down losing?

No, but it's a disadvantage.

Is there a way to make the disadvantage worse?