Openings against the fried liver?

BTW according to the other sites database after 5. exd5 the most common move is 5… Nxd5 and you get to play the Fried Liver. So that is more common than the mainline 5… Na5. At least that is what it shows me.

If you take all the games played, almost anything but 1.e4 or 1.d4 is pretty rare. But that is not a very good way to look at it in my opinion.

I mean, even the Ruy Lopez is not played in most games ever played. Does it mean Ruy Lopez is rare?

Is Scholar’s Mate rare?

Can u guys tell me about chess

#20, thats a cherrypicked sample of games

because you know it and play it, you get it a lot

#21, if white plays ng5 they know the fried liver

and just so happens that most black players dont know it (remember, their database is dominated by short games)

and i mean, "often"

what does it mean

there are 4.3 billion games there

3.5 million fried livers (btw, thats only half the e4 e5 nf3 nc6 bc4 nf6 ng5 d5 exd5 games which is insane)

thats one in a thousand

thats close to 1024 ie 2^10

there were 11 tempi there

so on average each of the moves are played more than half the time

but given that we are 11 tempi in, you cant really call anything "often" except for relatively

but yeah, ive played around with that database and i know that fried liver has all the most common moves there

and at what level

i filter out the 400 1000 and 1200 (there, ratings are different btw)

and na5 jumps up

play the giuoco piano instead of the two knights defense

By your definition, nothing in chess happens often...

But seriously. Fried Liver attack is not rare. It happens a lot.

Of course it does not happen in games, where neither player even tries to play it, but that is a pointless thing to consider.

I play the Italian as the basis of my repertoire as white and go Ng5 against 2 Knights defense and Fried Liver is pretty damn common. Even here, still at 1400 rapid level.

But you are correct, it will not happen if you don't play it. It doesn't play itself automatically.

this is a very good question, and black really needs to know what hes doing here

this defense is the top option for black, the polerio defense, it is a pawn sacrifice line where black gets a bunch of counterplay for the pawn. but you really need to know the plans,ideas, and some of the theory

i missed some stuff here just know these basic plans

Rb4 is very common in Qf3 lines, aiming for Rg4

f5 is a common theme for black after 0-0

your goal is to attack here as black

Or 3. ...Bc5 and black doesn't have to go into these complications. There is no 4. Ng5 after that move.
Of course, if you want to go into this line, that is another matter completely.

completely false, if white so desires black gets no game

people dont like to play very challenging chess at levels below id say 2000,

but stuff like the evans or 5.d4 is whats most challennging and best IMO

I am not seeing how saying something is completely false when the dudes entire point is one could just not go Nf6 and not be down a pawn, compensation or not.

I personally invite the knight attack so I could choose between Polerio, Ulvestad or Fritz depending on how feisty I feel, never a dull day. Until no knight attack ever happens and they play the damned d3. Then I am gonna have to suffer through the cold and heartless manueverings of Pianissimo. Such a buzzkill.

It is not false, because I didn't say that Nf6 is bad. That would indeed be false. It is just that for someone rated let's say 1 000 who just wants to fire up a game and play without trying to memorize some sharp openings, 3. ...Bc5 is a more practical choice.

Black is fine in all lines after 3. ...Bc5 without those starting complications. White is not winning or anything and, at least for now, there are not sharp stuff in the first few moves, so black will not lose out of the opening unless he blunders something random.

So black will get a playable position and it is anyone's game. Of course, white always have some opening advantage up to a certain point.

I am not saying that 3.Nf6 is not playable, it is of course playable. For those who want a more dynamic game from the start, sure, they can play it as well.

What is best is a matter of taste, especially on non super GM level. And even there the winner is mostly decided by who plays better later on.

That is my point. Of course, one could play with compensation as well if he is feeling like having a more complicated game before he finished developing.

sure the 4 knights is decent at beginner/low intermediate level, but overtime as you get better you want to be more challenging, in the knight attack white is trying to refute blacks attack and hold on to his pawn and win an endgame

in the 4 knights white is just doing what he does in the london, sit around and play a system like opening

general ¨italian system¨ setup by beginner/intermediate players

when white plays nc3 he is saying that he does not want to try to win in the middlegame with an attack, hes hoping for you to mess up in the endgame (if white does not get Bg5, which he usually wont) and if he cant get you in the late middlegame/endgame? It just ends up a draw usually