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bigD521 wrote:
magipi wrote:
kurikael wrote:

Puzzle in question https://www.chess.com/puzzles/problem/1724558

I was thinking Rook e3 and if opponent takes with bishop knight c3 check and fork

You are right. Black is much better in that variation. The puzzle is wrong, so it should be reported... except I don't think there is an option to report bad puzzles anymore.

I don't know if something has been changed since this was posted.

It is a mate in one puzzle. 1. ..... Nf4# While Rxe3 is winning, mate trumps.

This isn't how puzzles work on chess.com or anywhere else. A puzzle must have only one solution. If multiple moves win, the puzzle is bad.

Otherwise it would be complete chaos. Even if you find mate-in--3, you'd be worried that there is a mate-in-2 somewhere, and your solution is "wrong". It would be extremely annoying.

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kurikael đã viết:

https://www.chess.com/puzzles/problem/1843790/

Can somebody explain what is wrong with knight f8?

Thank you in advance

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magipi wrote:
bigD521 wrote:
magipi wrote:
kurikael wrote:

Puzzle in question https://www.chess.com/puzzles/problem/1724558

I was thinking Rook e3 and if opponent takes with bishop knight c3 check and fork

You are right. Black is much better in that variation. The puzzle is wrong, so it should be reported... except I don't think there is an option to report bad puzzles anymore.

I don't know if something has been changed since this was posted.

It is a mate in one puzzle. 1. ..... Nf4# While Rxe3 is winning, mate trumps.

This isn't how puzzles work on chess.com or anywhere else. A puzzle must have only one solution. If multiple moves win, the puzzle is bad.

Otherwise it would be complete chaos. Even if you find mate-in--3, you'd be worried that there is a mate-in-2 somewhere, and your solution is "wrong". It would be extremely annoying.

I have played puzzles amongst various sites and they are the same. You are correct, a puzzle must have only one solution, and that solution is always the very best move or moves. A puzzle differs from a game. In a game you there may be many solutions, winning a piece, but miss winning a more powerful piece. Winning apiece which puts you ahead but you could have mated. Mating in 5 moves where you could have mated in anything less than what was played. In a game lesser moves can win you the game, so there can be many solutions. With puzzles, there is only one considered correct solution, which is always the best move/'s. In puzzles though moves may win a game, it not about winning a game, it is about finding the best possible move/'s.

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bigD521 wrote:
magipi wrote:
bigD521 wrote:
magipi wrote:
kurikael wrote:

Puzzle in question https://www.chess.com/puzzles/problem/1724558

I was thinking Rook e3 and if opponent takes with bishop knight c3 check and fork

You are right. Black is much better in that variation. The puzzle is wrong, so it should be reported... except I don't think there is an option to report bad puzzles anymore.

I don't know if something has been changed since this was posted.

It is a mate in one puzzle. 1. ..... Nf4# While Rxe3 is winning, mate trumps.

This isn't how puzzles work on chess.com or anywhere else. A puzzle must have only one solution. If multiple moves win, the puzzle is bad.

Otherwise it would be complete chaos. Even if you find mate-in--3, you'd be worried that there is a mate-in-2 somewhere, and your solution is "wrong". It would be extremely annoying.

I have played puzzles amongst various sites and they are the same. You are correct, a puzzle must have only one solution, and that solution is always the very best move or moves. A puzzle differs from a game. In a game you there may be many solutions, winning a piece, but miss winning a more powerful piece. Winning apiece which puts you ahead but you could have mated. Mating in 5 moves where you could have mated in anything less than what was played. In a game lesser moves can win you the game, so there can be many solutions. With puzzles, there is only one considered correct solution, which is always the best move/'s. In puzzles though moves may win a game, it not about winning a game, it is about finding the best possible move/'s.

I have no experience with other chess sites. There might be some of them who use your interpretation (although I strongly doubt it, for the reason I mentioned above).

Not chess.com though. In chess.com puzzles, there's only one move that wins. All other moves draw or lose.

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@magipie

Puzzles on this site is the same as all others. The only move that wins is the best move. Are you in disagreement with this, or did you misinterpret what I originally said?

It is a mate in one puzzle. 1. ..... Nf4# While Rxe3 is winning, mate trumps.

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bigD521 wrote:

@magipie

Puzzles on this site is the same as all others. The only move that wins is the best move. Are you in disagreement with this, or did you misinterpret what I originally said?

It is a mate in one puzzle. 1. ..... Nf4# While Rxe3 is winning, mate trumps.

1. "Magipie" isn't my name.

2. "The only move that wins is the best move" is true, but so what? That's not what we're discussing here.

3. " mate trumps" - there is no such thing. Puzzles on chess.com have only one solution. If multiple moves win, the puzzle is broken and should be reported.

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@maqipi

Apologies for misreading your name resulting in the misspelling.

2@3 I am letting go as difference of opinion unless you wish an explanation, since it is now clear we are in agreement that a puzzle is about the best move/,s.

Now if you would please explain your reply in post 17 to which I responded. The puzzle is wrong, so it should be reported...

Why is the puzzle wrong? Again it is a mate in one, which is not wrong, hence my reply to your post. A mate in one is the best move over a gain/win of material.

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In chess.com's puzzles, there is always only one winning move. None of the other moves win. Even in puzzles where there is mate-in-1, that is the only win, and all other moves only draw or lose. Just run a puzzle rush, and check all puzzles, and you'll see.

This is true for all puzzles on chess.com. When there are alternative winning moves, the puzzle is considered to be broken. In the old times, these puzzles were reported by the users, then they were fixed or removed. Nowadays, it's not possible to report broken puzzles.

It's possible to do it your way instead, but chess.com chose this way.

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being edited for the correct name

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magipi wrote:
kurikael wrote:

Puzzle in question https://www.chess.com/puzzles/problem/1724558

I was thinking Rook e3 and if opponent takes with bishop knight c3 check and fork

You are right. Black is much better in that variation. The puzzle is wrong, so it should be reported... except I don't think there is an option to report bad puzzles anymore.

Again, please explain how this puzzle is wrong, and why you said it was wrong.

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There is an alternative solution, Rxe3+. After that, black has a winning advantage.

In all puzzles, there should be only one solution. Only one. It doesn't matter if one is mate-in-one and the other is a long endgame win, if there are multiple winning moves, the puzzle is broken.

If you don't believe me, just look at a hundred puzzles on chess.com. In all of them there is only one winning move.

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magipi wrote:

There is an alternative solution, Rxe3+. After that, black has a winning advantage.

In all puzzles, there should be only one solution. Only one. It doesn't matter if one is mate-in-one and the other is a long endgame win, if there are multiple winning moves, the puzzle is broken.

If you don't believe me, just look at a hundred puzzles on chess.com. In all of them there is only one winning move.

I have played a large number of puzzles on this site, and in almost if not all, the only puzzle that is correctly solved is when the best move/'s are played.

What you say simply makes no sense to me. IE: There is an alternative solution, Rxe3+. After that, black has a winning advantage.

Following this train of thought, and ignoring that Nf4# is best. Then near all puzzles should be reported. Just grab a pawn as an alternative solution. There are a good many instances where it is enticing to grab a piece, but the correct solution is to grab a piece of more value or mate.

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bigD521 wrote:
magipi wrote:

There is an alternative solution, Rxe3+. After that, black has a winning advantage.

In all puzzles, there should be only one solution. Only one. It doesn't matter if one is mate-in-one and the other is a long endgame win, if there are multiple winning moves, the puzzle is broken.

If you don't believe me, just look at a hundred puzzles on chess.com. In all of them there is only one winning move.

I have played a large number of puzzles on this site, and in almost if not all, the only puzzle that is correctly solved is when the best move/'s are played.

What you say simply makes no sense to me. IE: There is an alternative solution, Rxe3+. After that, black has a winning advantage.

Following this train of thought, and ignoring that Nf4# is best. Then near all puzzles should be reported. Just grab a pawn as an alternative solution. There are a good many instances where it is enticing to grab a piece, but the correct solution is to grab a piece of more value or mate.

edited to add - thanks or the explanation. The resulting discussion is a bit clearer now.

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bigD521 wrote:

Then near all puzzles should be reported. Just grab a pawn as an alternative solution. There are a good many instances where it is enticing to grab a piece, but the correct solution is to grab a piece of more value or mate.

My point is that it never works that way. In all chess.com puzzles there is only one winning move. If you "grab a pawn", you lose (or draw) instead of winning.

Again: if you don't believe me, look at 100 puzzles, and see for yourself.

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I do puzzles daily, no need for me to look. I am done, thanks for your reply.

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bigD521 wrote:

I do puzzles daily, no need for me to look. I am done, thanks for your reply.

You do puzzles daily, and you've never noticed that there is always only one winning move? Maybe you do need to look again. But okay.

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Puzzle in question https://www.chess.com/puzzles/problem/2730958

What is wrong with rook e1?

My beginner's logic was

If white takes it then queen f2 check and if king moves away then queen e1

If white moves bishop to d2 or e3 then rook a1

And if it does something else then rook f1

Thank you in advance for replies

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answer - 1.......Qxf2+ 2.Rxf2 and is pinned because of the Bishop. 2.......Re1#

or - 1.......Qxf2+ 2.Kh1 Qxf1#

1........Re1 does not lead to mate or gain in material unless white plays poorly.

1.....Re1 2.Qf4 leads to equal queen and rook exchanges

1.....Re1 2.Be3 = equal Rook exchanges.

Note 1......Re1 2.Bd2 is a blunder 2......Qxf2+ 3.Kh1 Qxf1# because Whites Rook is pinned

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Hi

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Where and how can I disable setting that if I am done puzzle wrong, chess.com offer my retries (sometime multiple times)?