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Queens Gambit Resign! (Spoilers)
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Yes some GMs will advise their students never to resign. I will guess most tutors disagree with that advice. The tutor very likely was not advising Beth to resign only because of chess etiqueete. There are reasons this event was put in the series. Some very strong chess players [Kasparov for example] probably wanted it put in the series.There are very good reasons why it is good advice to tell a beginner to resign after losing her queen early in the opening.
Optimissed There are good reasons why the tutor in that series would not explain to Beth why she should resign in that situation.
DarkKnight_Rizes wrote:
Nice to know that soo many people think Beth Harmon as a real person, she is just a work of fiction. Want to appreciate Beth Harmon? Then give the appreciation to the directors, staff and Anna Taylor-joy (Beth Harmon in the series).
That's how you know it is a quality production... Tbh though, I thought some of the chess dialogue seemed a lil forced. They could have swapped out chess for any game/sport and I think it wouldn't have made much difference.
Shamus and DarkKnight No they could not swapped out chess for any game or sport. Beth was age 8 and certainly not into sports. It is obvious why chess was selected.
Of course Beth is not a real person. Of course the directors, staff and Anna Taylor-joy have already been given a whole lot of credit for this wonderful series.
ponz111 wrote:
Shamus No they could not swapped out chess for any game or sport. Beth was age 8 and certainly not into sports. It is obvious why chess was selected.
At its core I see a story about a young prodigy who came from humble beginnings. Beth had to fight for what she earned and deal with her inner demons along the way. I think its a great show, but the premise is not new.
As far as sports go, a lot of sports superstars start at the same age as chess giants. In many cases they have to since mid 20's are peak years for ufc fighters, soccer players, etc
Shamus Part of what you said makes sense but in
the situation in the series Beth had no chance to be a sports star.
Yes the premise is not new but it
is given in a unique way.
ponz111 wrote:
Shamus Part of what you said makes sense but in
the situation in the series Beth had no chance to be a sports star.
Yes the premise is not new but it
is given in a unique way.
No one is a star in the beginning, here a young Spassky resigns after 8 moves.
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Why didn't Beth have a chance at being a sports star?
Shamus Beth did not have a chance to become a sports star for several reasons
1. she was in an orphanage and they had strict rules of what to teach girls.
2. she was addicted
3. the orphanage did not have resources to help a girl who wanted to do high level sports.
4. when she was adopted she showed little interest in sports
5. When she was adopted there was no money for sports
6. She was interested in chess--not sports.
Of course one cannot be a chess champ after just learning chess. I also learned chess at age 8 and my dad beat me 100 games in a row,
ponz111 wrote:
Shamus Beth did not have a chance to become a sports star for several reasons
1. she was in an orphanage and they had strict rules of what to teach girls.
2. she was addicted
3. the orphanage did not have resources to help a girl who wanted to do high level sports.
4. when she was adopted she showed little interest in sports
5. When she was adopted there was no money for sports
6. She was interested in chess--not sports.
Of course one cannot be a chess champ after just learning chess. I also learned chess at age 8 and my dad beat me 100 games in a row,
She didn't have open access to chess either. She had to sneak into the basement to play against the janitor. Once the school found out, she didn't get to play at all for some time.
As for her addictions, substance abuse is a huge problem in many sports and is a common trope in these types of stories.
The money issue is also common to all sports. Many families spend money on chess books, coaches, etc as opposed to shin guards or cleats.
Again, I'm not trying to diminish QG as they did a great job. All I'm saying is I've seen this story before.
I only ever resign if I make a crazy blunder or my opponent attacks and I can't in any way comeback from it, or if I'm playing in a losing position I can't get out of, other then that I don't resign.
Mbforshay If you had a tutor who is much stronger than you and you were told to resign--would you do it???
Dec 8, 2020
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IgorKravitz wrote:
Igor no like. Why everything now have to be about girly girls? What is wrong about chess story about manly man? So silly.
Or ratly rat?
Dec 8, 2020
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aloudcolor wrote:
Never resign. Play till the #. What an loser "teacher"
Many reasons beyond etiquette to resign a lost position. Then again, it doesn't surprise me so many here "dislike" that scene. In any case, the dramatic effect and Shaibel's character make it a worthy one from a storytelling point of view. From a purely chess point of view, the game was prime for resignation, and Harmon is taught an invaluable lesson that many here seem to never get.
Dec 8, 2020
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If Beth is going to be playing Grandmasters, she needs to know when to resign, agreed. If she was only going to be faced with 600-rated players, then sure... play on until mate.
wornaki wrote:
aloudcolor wrote:
Never resign. Play till the #. What an loser "teacher"
Many reasons beyond etiquette to resign a lost position. Then again, it doesn't surprise me so many here "dislike" that scene. In any case, the dramatic effect and Shaibel's character make it a worthy one from a storytelling point of view. From a purely chess point of view, the game was prime for resignation, and Harmon is taught an invaluable lesson that many here seem to never get.
We understand the point you are trying to make... We just think your wrong.
Why are we assuming Shaibel was a good coach anyway? Beth was told to read MCO and neglected endgames until that ex kentucky champion called her out on it. No wonder the Russians were beating her.
Dec 8, 2020
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I don't assume Shaibel is a good coach. I do think he taught her a few interesting lessons, among which the resignation one stands as a very interesting one. Of course many disagree with me, but that's to be expected.
wornaki wrote:
I don't assume Shaibel is a good coach. I do think he taught her a few interesting lessons, among which the resignation one stands as a very interesting one. Of course many disagree with me, but that's to be expected.
Just reread my previous post. Sorry if it came off as rude. I think we can all agree he was an interesting character. Wish he had more screen time.
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