Stuggles in the opening vs Queens

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andrewjohnston92

I am part of the great "Queens Gambit" related chess resurgence. Therefore I am still very much a beginner player. In my research, most sources agree that bringing out your queen early is typically not advised. In my personal experiences though the people I play against (typically rated between 700-900) bring it out very early are able to pick apart my openings by simply moving the queen around and developing little to no other pieces. Most of the instruction I have read tells you to "punish them for bringing the queen out early by attacking it" but since the queen has such a big range, and no other pieces have been developed to get in the way, I typically just end up chasing it around the board and accomplishing little. I know in higher level chess moving the queen around move after move in the opening stages of the game is a losing strategy, however I'm struggling to find ways to take advantage when the opponent does this. Any tips or recommendations for a new chess player?

throughvoyage23

Watch out for scholar's mate obviously, but try to develop normally. Ideally develop and attack the queen. Threatening the queen with knights and bishops is ideal as you can push them into good positions.

Every time they move the queen away, you are basically getting a tiny victory.

Having said all this I have recently had some bad times agaisnt the Napolen and Wayward queen, so hopefully someone better can give more specific advice.

daxypoo
i remember this feeling well when i started here

players so confidently hurling their queens into the frays and i felt like i was about to get mated

if looking at sub 1000 chess.com rapid pool like a video game progression then you will have to learn how to defend wayward queen attack and scholars mate (and all its little variations)

first thing to do is thoroughly go over your games after you play them

go back to the moves where opponent brought out queen and note where/when you got anxious and really try to see if there were any real threats (scholars mate causes real, though defendable, threats) or if they were more imaginary

then use the engines recommended moves to either see the proper response if you are having trouble

the tough part is it is really only through experience and, probably losing quite a bit, hard knocks that you start to get a feel for things
daxypoo
fat fingers sorry

the video game part is the scholars mater and wayward queen practitioner are like “boss fights” and you need to learn their patterns before progressing

successfully navigating a scholars mate by using all the proper moves was easily one of the highlights of my sub 1000 days
willw155

Aggressive queen moves in the opening are nothing to be worried about, in fact I enjoy seeing them as it allows me to develop faster.  The queen is the most powerful piece, but that also means you can force it to retreat with any piece to get your pieces out with tempo.

 

 

After castling your king to safety, focus on your remaining development and you should have strong chances/slight advantage.

HitEmTrue
willw155 wrote:

Aggressive queen moves in the opening are nothing to be worried about, in fact I enjoy seeing them as it allows me to develop faster.  The queen is the most powerful piece, but that also means you can force it to retreat with any piece to get your pieces out with tempo.

 

 

After castling your king to safety, focus on your remaining development and you should have strong chances/slight advantage.

 

Kf6 doesn't force the queen back...it potentially gives away the e5 pawn.  Black d6 as second move protects the pawn.

ashoffman

This. Every time people talk about starting to learn chess they omit the importance of playing against queen happy players. You NEED ton learn how to counter them. My immediate advice, do whatever you can to force a queen swap. In the meantime, study Wayward Queen Attack, (1. e4 e5 2. Qh5) Napoleon's Opening, (1. e4 e5 2. Qf3) and the Scandinavian. (1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5) While you won't find good guides about these lines, you can set up boards and work out variations. Playing as the Queen happy attacker is another good way to see what doesn't work. In general, while it's important to defend f2/f7, keep in mind that bishop moves will weaken the b pawn and g pawn respectively and moving the Queen will leave the c pawn open to attack. Anticipate attacks before they come and use counter attacks to retake the initiative. They should be reacting to you and not the other way around. Another way to get away from this problem is use catch all opening systems like the London. Good luck!

Peertj
Yes
throughvoyage23

Yeah I'd defend that pawn with my other knight before I attack the queen.

andrewjohnston92

Thanks all for the insight. Hoping to learn some setup based openings and their variations. Its not so much the scholars mate that gets me. You can only get fooled by that a few times. It has more to do with getting my pieces all out of position chasing the opposing queen around the board in the opening. Ill try to share an example of a game where this occurs if I come across one

Pulpofeira

As others have suggested, it's not so much about capturing her but gaining tempi at her expense while developing, since she always have to retreat when attacked by a less valuable piece.

NilsIngemar

If you cannot castle, you have options to defend against a queen threat.

Just move your bishop to g7 and castle.

PunchboxNET
You know willw8, he can play 3. Qxe4+ up a pawn
NilsIngemar

Oops forgot about this continuation.

With the queen move, your knight is no longer pinned. White has a horrible position. Bit this is better

 

JackRoach

The key in the opening when you are playing against queens is:

A. Develop pieces WHILE attacking the queen. If you can't attack the queen without ruining your position (if they can just move it safely), then don't. Develop normally and try not to lose any pawns.

nklristic
NilsIngemar wrote:

Oops forgot about this continuation.

With the queen move, your knight is no longer pinned. White has a horrible position. Bit this is better

 

If he plays Bc4, Nf6 is better than d6. If he plays with the queen first, then Nc6 is probably the best second move. Of course d6 is playable but it is not necessary as the pawn is not even attacked in your variations. If he attack it with the queen with his second move then you might play d6, but it is probably even better to play Nc6.


@OP

Try to develop pieces and neutralize threats at the same time. These moves always exists in a position and many times you get some attacks on a queen with one of your knights (but be careful you are not hanging a pawn or some piece or a checkmate). 

Generally try to develop as soon as possible, and if they bring their queen out early take your time and look at what is the actual threat.

RussBell

Chess Openings Resources for Beginners and Beyond...

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell/openings-resources-for-beginners-and-beyond

NilsIngemar
nklristic wrote:
NilsIngemar wrote:

Oops forgot about this continuation.

With the queen move, your knight is no longer pinned. White has a horrible position. Bit this is better

 

If he plays Bc4, Nf6 is better than d6. If he plays with the queen first, then Nc6 is probably the best second move. Of course d6 is playable but it is not necessary as the pawn is not even attacked in your variations. If he attack it with the queen with his second move then you might play d6, but it is probably even better to play Nc6.


@OP

Try to develop pieces and neutralize threats at the same time. These moves always exists in a position and many times you get some attacks on a queen with one of your knights (but be careful you are not hanging a pawn or some piece or a checkmate). 

Generally try to develop as soon as possible, and if they bring their queen out early take your time and look at what is the actual threat.

I was trying to play an opening where the threat was not caught early and you need to defend.