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PSV-1988
Jan 29, 2020
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Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

I think for an IM or GM it's for life even if you are 95 years old and you can barely walk or see etc etc ... you are still an IM and GM right?

Yupsolutely, and more than justified imo. Just because a person becomes older and life gradually becomes harder, it doesn't mean that their past achievements should be taken away from them. They, at one point, were strong enough to qualify for the title and that should be the most important factor. 

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Marie-AnneLiz
Jan 29, 2020
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#282
PSV-1988 a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

I think for an IM or GM it's for life even if you are 95 years old and you can barely walk or see etc etc ... you are still an IM and GM right?

Yupsolutely, and more than justified imo. Just because a person becomes older and life gradually becomes harder, it doesn't mean that their past achievements should be taken away from them. They, at one point, were strong enough to qualify for the title and that should be the most important factor. 

Good point! It make sense!

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idoun
Jan 29, 2020
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#283
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

Yes for the objective view but subjectively do you think it should be for life or not once you get the title from a federation?

 

This thread has gotten way too long, but I stated earlier I don't agree with NMs being NMs for life and I do not consider it to be so. 

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PSV-1988
Jan 29, 2020
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#284

A few weeks ago at a tournament in France I played an IM rated 2020. He was about 80 years old and his peak rating was like 2440. If people were to lose their titles based on current ratings (or do you prefer based on age?), guys like him would basically have to choose between keeping the title they rightfully earned in the past and continuing to play the game they apparently still love, despite being nowhere near as good as they used to be. 

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Ziryab
Jan 29, 2020
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#285
KibiDangoman wrote:

Yeah but isnt it same as having a Dr. or PHD?

Should you lose them because at some point you dont practice at the level you did originally?

I think its nice that you have the NM for life.


I hope not. I was a lot smarter in graduate school and the first few years after. Now it takes me a lot more than two hours to get through a historial monograph.

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Matt_Heup
Jan 29, 2020
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#286

Anything below 3500.

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Colby-Covington
Jan 29, 2020
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#287

You never told me how long you've had that NM ghost?

 

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Matt_Heup
Jan 29, 2020
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#288

I've been a 1200 for eternity.

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Matt_Heup
Jan 29, 2020
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#289

Clarification: 1 month

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Colby-Covington
Jan 29, 2020
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#290

Way before I was even born.😯 You must have experienced some crazy stuff, do tell some stories! My dad is an FM and just turned 52. I know all of his tournament stories by heart.😌

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Colby-Covington
Jan 29, 2020
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#291

I can't share 90% because by today's standards that would probably be considered pure racism.😅

He said for example that the Russians always call the arbiter for any little thing during heated moments like psychological warfare. And that some of his Russian opponents ate lots of garlic before their game on purpose to disturb him. It goes deeper but I really can't.🤣

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kindaspongey
Jan 29, 2020
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#292
idoun wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

… Elsewhere on their website, there is this:
Q:What's a Grandmaster (International Master, Master)?
A:The United States Chess Federation (US Chess) awards the national master title to any player who reaches a rating of 2200. Less than one percent of rated players hold the title. An Original Life Master is a National Master who has played 300 games with a rating over 2200. Grandmaster (abbreviated often to GM) is the highest title you can achieve in chess. Like International Master (abbreviated to IM), it's an international title, and is awarded by FIDE, the International Federation of Echecs. https://www.uschess.org/content/view/7328/28/ ...

So, does that mean that a 2200 or above player becomes a national master for life? I think that that is what it means, but it seems to me that this could be spelled out more clearly. I think I remember some USCF members complaining that it was peculiar that one could be a national master for life without being a Life Master.

No, this is not the source and it does not indicate being a master for life, because previous to the executive board decision, this language was still used, and masters were not masters for life.

There seems to be a lot of confusion here, but keep in mind that the norm-based titles, as I said before, are completely independent from the other title systems. So the norms-based Life Master is achieved by having a USCF rating >2200 + 5 norms at that level. The original Life Master title is obtained by maintaining a USCF rating >2200 while playing 300 games. Confusing that they both have the same name? Yes, definitely, and I don't think it makes sense.

For becoming a master for life by attaining a rating of 2200, it would be in the Executive Board meeting notes/minutes. Good luck in finding it. 

If I remember correctly, there was some subject where it was considered nearly hopeless to find the original motion in the minutes, and a new motion was passed, saying that the previous motion (whatever it said) was nullified. Now, I guess nobody knows where that motion can be found, so it is probably necessary to do it again. Maybe, somebody will eventually think to clearly spell out the national master situation in an easily-found USCF location.

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kindaspongey
Jan 29, 2020
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#293
idoun wrote:
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

Yes for the objective view but subjectively do you think it should be for life or not once you get the title from a federation?

This thread has gotten way too long, but I stated earlier I don't agree with NMs being NMs for life and I do not consider it to be so. 

We can't exactly go around saying that this is the situation because idoun says so. There needs to be a clear easily-found USCF statement on the matter.

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greypenguin
Jan 29, 2020
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#294

My experience (chess.com rating) is that 0-1000 is beginner 1001-1200 is advanced beginner(Understands movement, tactics.) 1201-1400 is intermediate(Tactics are kind of proficient and learns strategy and new openings to use)

The rest I don't know because I haven't reached that level yet haha

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autobunny
Jan 29, 2020
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#295
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:
idoun wrote:

I don't agree with NMs being NMs for life and I do not consider it to be so. 

whatever the heck that means

Translation: your title or your life? 

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autobunny
Jan 29, 2020
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#296
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

I for one don't consider idoun to exist.

Hedoun care

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idoun
Jan 29, 2020
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#297
kindaspongey wrote:
idoun wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

… Elsewhere on their website, there is this:
Q:What's a Grandmaster (International Master, Master)?
A:The United States Chess Federation (US Chess) awards the national master title to any player who reaches a rating of 2200. Less than one percent of rated players hold the title. An Original Life Master is a National Master who has played 300 games with a rating over 2200. Grandmaster (abbreviated often to GM) is the highest title you can achieve in chess. Like International Master (abbreviated to IM), it's an international title, and is awarded by FIDE, the International Federation of Echecs. https://www.uschess.org/content/view/7328/28/ ...

So, does that mean that a 2200 or above player becomes a national master for life? I think that that is what it means, but it seems to me that this could be spelled out more clearly. I think I remember some USCF members complaining that it was peculiar that one could be a national master for life without being a Life Master.

No, this is not the source and it does not indicate being a master for life, because previous to the executive board decision, this language was still used, and masters were not masters for life.

There seems to be a lot of confusion here, but keep in mind that the norm-based titles, as I said before, are completely independent from the other title systems. So the norms-based Life Master is achieved by having a USCF rating >2200 + 5 norms at that level. The original Life Master title is obtained by maintaining a USCF rating >2200 while playing 300 games. Confusing that they both have the same name? Yes, definitely, and I don't think it makes sense.

For becoming a master for life by attaining a rating of 2200, it would be in the Executive Board meeting notes/minutes. Good luck in finding it. 

If I remember correctly, there was some subject where it was considered nearly hopeless to find the original motion in the minutes, and a new motion was passed, saying that the previous motion (whatever it said) was nullified. Now, I guess nobody knows where that motion can be found, so it is probably necessary to do it again. Maybe, somebody will eventually think to clearly spell out the national master situation in an easily-found USCF location.

I've never heard this before. The decision to make a NM permanent was recent (ie within the last 15 yrs); it is extremely unlikely that they would undo that, and it was not right away because for some time it was posted somewhere. To undo it after that without any discussion or anyone knowing about it is even more unlikely. Probably you are remembering the second motion that made a NM a NM for life. 

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kindaspongey
Jan 30, 2020
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#298
idoun wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
idoun wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

… Elsewhere on their website, there is this:
Q:What's a Grandmaster (International Master, Master)?
A:The United States Chess Federation (US Chess) awards the national master title to any player who reaches a rating of 2200. Less than one percent of rated players hold the title. An Original Life Master is a National Master who has played 300 games with a rating over 2200. Grandmaster (abbreviated often to GM) is the highest title you can achieve in chess. Like International Master (abbreviated to IM), it's an international title, and is awarded by FIDE, the International Federation of Echecs. https://www.uschess.org/content/view/7328/28/ ...

So, does that mean that a 2200 or above player becomes a national master for life? I think that that is what it means, but it seems to me that this could be spelled out more clearly. I think I remember some USCF members complaining that it was peculiar that one could be a national master for life without being a Life Master.

No, this is not the source and it does not indicate being a master for life, because previous to the executive board decision, this language was still used, and masters were not masters for life.

There seems to be a lot of confusion here, but keep in mind that the norm-based titles, as I said before, are completely independent from the other title systems. So the norms-based Life Master is achieved by having a USCF rating >2200 + 5 norms at that level. The original Life Master title is obtained by maintaining a USCF rating >2200 while playing 300 games. Confusing that they both have the same name? Yes, definitely, and I don't think it makes sense.

For becoming a master for life by attaining a rating of 2200, it would be in the Executive Board meeting notes/minutes. Good luck in finding it. 

If I remember correctly, there was some subject where it was considered nearly hopeless to find the original motion in the minutes, and a new motion was passed, saying that the previous motion (whatever it said) was nullified. Now, I guess nobody knows where that motion can be found, so it is probably necessary to do it again. Maybe, somebody will eventually think to clearly spell out the national master situation in an easily-found USCF location.

I've never heard this before. The decision to make a NM permanent was recent (ie within the last 15 yrs); it is extremely unlikely that they would undo that, and it was not right away because for some time it was posted somewhere. ...

What difference does a USCF decision make if it is not now apparent where to find a clear USCF record of the current policy? Again: We can't exactly go around claiming to know the policy while citing idoun as the authority. There needs to be a clear easily-found USCF statement on the matter.

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Chse0c
Jan 30, 2020
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#299

Who won the game?

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idoun
Feb 3, 2020
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#300

What difference does a USCF decision make if it is not now apparent where to find a clear USCF record of the current policy? Again: We can't exactly go around claiming to know the policy while citing idoun as the authority. There needs to be a clear easily-found USCF statement on the matter.

"What difference does a USCF decision make if it is not now apparent where to find a clear USCF record of the current policy?" - That's up for you to take up with the USCF if you have a disagreement with it.

"We can't exactly go around claiming to know the policy while citing idoun as the authority. There needs to be a clear easily-found USCF statement on the matter." - Why would you cite me when I directed you to the USCF executive board decision? And what are you saying anyway, that a NM is a master for life or not? There are only 2 possibilities. So you're going to decide on one in your mind even if it's false and when no one has even disagreed with me?