When does it click?

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kf4mat

So how long does it normally take before you show even the least bit of improvement? I'm in my 50's and just decided to learn the game so I understand I won't ever be great, but I would like to at least win a game that I earned and not because my opponent threw away the game out of pity.

The more I watch videos or read a book on chess the worse I become. I had the book Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess, recommended to me so I bought it and finished it and I would say was able to get the right answer probably 85% of the time if not more. I enjoyed working the problems out and the ones I missed I just completely blew. Problem is I play another person or against a computer and they just slaughter me.

Then you have people saying learn an opening and play it until you master it. I'm sure that is good advice but my opponents at least seem to have missed the memo on playing the correct counter moves. For instance 1. e4 pretty standard I guess, and according to all the sources I see the correct response is 1. ... e5 Except I played a coworker at lunch today my first 3 moves as white were: e4, Ng3, Bc4 and his first 3 moves as black were: c6,d6, and e6. I had no clue how to continue and as usual I left the board littered with dead white pieces and pawns. I don't know if you can get a negative number as a rating but I seem to be on the way to getting as close to zero as possible. I just need to know there is a point when things do start getting better.

llama44

Yes, things get better

When I was a kid, my brother and I were new to chess. Well, one day he started studying. He got a book on tactics and a book on strategy. He solved puzzles and had read maybe half of the strategy book. He had been practicing against the computer.

So finally he decided to challenge me to a game.

Well, I could tell right away he had improved, and he was winning almost the whole time... but in the end I got lucky with a checkmate. He was devastated. I tried to tell him if we played 10 more times he might win 10, but we were just kids so he took the loss really hard.

I want to make two lessons from this story. The first is theory and practice are different. You can know more than your opponent, but that doesn't mean you'll win. The most dominant world champs in history gained the title when they were in their early 20s. They certainly didn't know more than the 30, 40, and 50 year old top players, but they knew a lot, and their performance was very high.

Second lesson is when people are still close to beginner level, flukes can happen. One bad move can undo 20 good moves. My brother was checkmated, but your opponent might swindle you by capturing a rook or queen early in the game (for example).

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So yes, it gets better, but especially for new-ish players, a big part of their results is consistency. You want to consistently avoid losing material for no reason, and you want to consistently punish your opponent by winning material when they leave themselves open to simple 1 or 2 move tactics.

Chess in the beginning is, unfortunately, somewhat tedious. You have to build up good calculation habits to make your play consistent... and this takes time and effort.

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Anyway, so your friend at work may have beaten you, and he may beat you again if you played today, but once things start to click for you, even if the games against him never feel easy, your results will start being overwhelmingly in your favor.

As for what to do about non-openings, just follow the opening principals. The point of the opening is to get a playable middlegame. In general it's not good to search for a way to punish openings like c6, d6, e6. Instead just develop and look for punishment much later, like on move 10, 15, or 20.

https://www.chess.com/article/view/the-principles-of-the-opening

llama44

The Fischer book was a good start

For what happens next... my advice is you want to do 2 things.

Study tactics + endgames or
Tactics + strategy.

Since you're an adult, strategy will probably be more interesting because there are concepts.
Tactics will be like the Fischer book. It will be puzzles that ask you to calculate and be accurate (but there will be common patterns you can use over and over).

In general tactics are what boost your results the most in the beginning... unfortunately some players find them tedious, and if studying is no fun then you'll eventually quit.

So first of all keep it fun, but also, if books interest you, then here are my suggestions, the first book plus one of the other 2:

https://www.amazon.com/Back-Basics-Tactics-ChessCafe-Chess/dp/1888690348
https://www.amazon.com/Winning-Chess-Endings-Everyman/dp/1857443489
https://www.amazon.com/Winning-Chess-Strategies-Everyman/dp/1857443853

Caesar49bc

Do lots of 1 move tactics. It's great practice for getting used to seeing the whole board.

kf4mat

Just wanted to say thank you for the responses and the book recommendations, I will check into them. Sometimes it just gets frustrating.

JamesColeman

Interesting that you've had an account here for 11 years and played just 5 games (and those games were in 2009). That's not in any way meant to disparage you, so please don't get me wrong. 

 

Main thing to remember is you can't just 'learn' chess like an academic exercise - you won't improve much that way. You've been given some good advice above, but don't forget to supplement that with a healthy amount of practical playing as well.

 

And although  50's is a little late to become World Champion  you can certainly still become a very competent player.

kf4mat
JamesColeman wrote:

Interesting that you've had an account here for 11 years and played just 5 games (and those games were in 2009). That's not in any way meant to disparage you, so please don't get me wrong. 

 

I actually forgot about this account and so I have just came back to it. I don't play much online as I actually prefer to do things face to face. I enjoy hex and counter war games but unless I play them solitaire  I enjoy the actual human interaction.  The current situation has forced me back to online endeavors so I may as well get used to it.

Plus I admit to not playing against human opponents here as my poor abilities make it a little embarrassing. I already know my coworker laughs at my games but then I also get to rib him for things he isn't very good at too so it's a break even in my opinion.

Tom

blueemu
kf4mat wrote:

I enjoy hex and counter war games...

Avalon Hill? SPI? I spent years of my life playing Advanced Squad Leader and Third Reich.

The computer equivalent is Hearts of Iron IV by Paradox, by the way.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/394360/Hearts_of_Iron_IV/

kf4mat

I have a few Avalon Hills games. I finally got a unpunched copy of Stonewall in the Valley. Plus I have ASL and one I just discovered I liked SPW's Der Welkreig series. I really like The Eastern Front 1914-1918

daxypoo
when i started i needed to switch to daily games to get my bearings a bit

do the bobby fischer book until you can get them all right; on ones you struggle with really push yourself to understand it

i recall winning many early games with just the knowledge and practice of back rank mates

i also watched john bartholomew’s chess fundamentals and climbing the rating ladders videos and i still watch them and still learn from them

after awhile i switched from daily to 30 min games; i preferred a chess game to start and finish in a sitting

after bobby fischer teaches chess i would switch to another tactics book
that covers more of the fundamental motifs

(i use 1001 chess exercises for beginners and i train it on chessable; i also practiced my first “openings” on chessable- check it out if you want)

it is important- win or lose or draw to spend time after your games going over them- online chess really helps in this aspect as your games are easily accessible for review
CSBFXE
Watch John Bartholomew’s “Chess Fundamentals” videos on YouTube. They are the place to start, even before spending extra time on tactics. His videos are very helpful. His series “climbing the rating ladder” will also be useful.
Daybreak57
When I started playing again on a regular basis what helped me get better quickly was playing human opponents that where higher rated than me. Dan Heisman recommends playing people on occasion that are 200-300 points higher rated than you are. You will have to find time to play people at your same rating and lower, as this will help you get better at beating people at lower ratings, but a certain percentage of your games should be played by humans with 200-300 points higher than you. If you want to find out more details, go to dan Heisman’s website or read his Novice nook columns or consider buying his guide to chess improvement. You can’t be bothered by your own personal ego. You have to play mostly with other people. You have to not care about the results, and only care about improvement. Make improvement your goal, not winning. Then with time you’ll eventually see your self winning more often. Of course it’s been a long time for me to see a rating increase. I haven’t been consistent. The trick really is to play chess daily. Start with something small on work from there. When you start lifting weights at the gym do you start squatting 300 pounds. you have to build up to doing more chess. A thousand mile journey beings with a single step, and for some of us, the journey begins with a lot of falling till you learn to pick yourself up. Some people can get good by just playing blitz. Others need to play and study. At a later age I’m sure one has to do a lot of studying of tactics and reading about strategy all while doing a lot of playing as well. But like I said start small. You can’t run a marathon in a day. The advice given to you here is good. I hope you take it to heart. Also, there is no number. People learn at different rates. It took me 16 years just to get to 1500 at blitz. hopefully, if you study and play, you will get there a lot sooner. Just don’t play only blitz. Play a healthy dose of long games. That’s the mistake I made. I played only blitz.