When does the endgame begin?

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Title says it all: when does the endgame begin and the middle game end? I’ve often used the syllogism “when one side has fifteen or less points* on the board,” but what are you’re thoughts?

*points being the generic queen=9, Rook=5, bishops/knights=3, and pawns=1.

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I'd have to say the endgame begins when endgame strategy comes into play.

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There are 3 main groups of strategy: opening strategy, middlegame strategy, endgame strategy. Throughout the game certain positions allow for a certain percentage of each of the three groups of strategy. For example, the opening will have >70% opening strategy, <50% middlegame strategy, and <20% endgame strategy. Looking at those numbers, we know it's the opening. The same will apply with endgame.

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BlindThief wrote:

Title says it all: when does the endgame begin and the middle game end? I’ve often used the syllogism “when one side has fifteen or less points* on the board,” but what are you’re thoughts?

*points being the generic queen=9, Rook=5, bishops/knights=3, and pawns=1.

If you include pawns in the definition that implies an endgame can lead into a middlegame.

Also your definition would mean that a lot of EGTBs should be called something other than EGTBs.

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Who knows
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llama45 wrote:

In general the endgame is when it's safe for the king to participate in the fight without fear of being checkmated, and so the main focus turns to queening a pawn while direct attack on the king is ignored as a possibility.

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The endgame does not have a definite position it can come before the middle game sometimes for example scholars mate and fool s mate

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The best definition of the endgame is the last part of the game

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No it isn't I drew my definition from other sources

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A book

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@wsama +1. I hadn't thought of it like that. Interesting.

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The endgame begins after the position becomes relatively chrystallised and simplified, so that the dominant strategy lies in converting whatever are the salient features of the game into the best possible result. Usually, this means promoting pawns or stopping the other side from doing that.

For what it's worth, I disagree with the definition regarding king safety. The king always was and will be a slow moving target and sometimes it's correct to centralise the king, but probably only in extremely simple endings, whereas in a more complex endgame, it isn't safe. For instance double rook endings where each side has two rooks and few pawns cannot be very safe for kings to participate fully. So that definition is definitely wrong.