When to resign - Etiquette - An honest appeal - Chess Forums - Page 15

wornaki · 2020-10-17T17:43:08-07:00

A few times here I've stumbled upon non resigning people below 1200 in blitz. Granted, I play mostly 3+2 and increment accumulates if you know how to use it. Not to mention that it's blitz, so swindles and blundering are very much part of the nature of blitz. However... As an appeal t

wornaki

Nov 29, 2020

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#281

Scottrf wrote:

wornaki wrote:

If only rating was THE thing. It's not. Etiquette is something you can exercise under 1000, over 2000 and being world champion. But some players choose not to go by it. Is that wrong? It's legal, it's not unreasonable, it's somewhat useful for some. You could argue no. I argue in favour of considering blatant disregard for playing according to etiquette a sign of latent (sometimes evident) bullying behaviour. You may think I exaggerate. You may think it's ridiculous. Tenable positions, not unlike mine. I've seen that type of behaviour promoted in here. I've seen it promoted elsewhere. I'm vehemently against it.

Rating is everything. If you were 2,500 your opponents would be resigning.

Your rating shows that you can’t convert won positions so no matter how much you complain this can all be solved by becoming a better player.

I've seen instances of obnoxious play at GM level. Want a recent example? Giri vs Xiong, on Tata Steel, 2020. Played almost to the 50 move rule.

Not even at GM level you are free of bad manners...

Anonymous_Dragon

Nov 29, 2020

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#282

wornaki wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

wornaki wrote:

If only rating was THE thing. It's not. Etiquette is something you can exercise under 1000, over 2000 and being world champion. But some players choose not to go by it. Is that wrong? It's legal, it's not unreasonable, it's somewhat useful for some. You could argue no. I argue in favour of considering blatant disregard for playing according to etiquette a sign of latent (sometimes evident) bullying behaviour. You may think I exaggerate. You may think it's ridiculous. Tenable positions, not unlike mine. I've seen that type of behaviour promoted in here. I've seen it promoted elsewhere. I'm vehemently against it.

Rating is everything. If you were 2,500 your opponents would be resigning.

Your rating shows that you can’t convert won positions so no matter how much you complain this can all be solved by becoming a better player.

I've seen instances of obnoxious play at GM level. Want a recent example? Giri vs Xiong, on Tata Steel, 2020. Played almost to the 50 move rule.

Not even at GM level you are free of bad manners...

Bruh...both had the same amount of material ? What are you trying to say here ?

EminemTheMonster

Nov 29, 2020

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#283

Scottrf wrote:

wornaki wrote:

If only rating was THE thing. It's not. Etiquette is something you can exercise under 1000, over 2000 and being world champion. But some players choose not to go by it. Is that wrong? It's legal, it's not unreasonable, it's somewhat useful for some. You could argue no. I argue in favour of considering blatant disregard for playing according to etiquette a sign of latent (sometimes evident) bullying behaviour. You may think I exaggerate. You may think it's ridiculous. Tenable positions, not unlike mine. I've seen that type of behaviour promoted in here. I've seen it promoted elsewhere. I'm vehemently against it.

Rating is everything. If you were 2,500 your opponents would be resigning.

Your rating shows that you can’t convert won positions so no matter how much you complain this can all be solved by becoming a better player.

Even then, I wouldn't really recommend anyone to resign, unless there is absolutely zero counterplay or chances of a foretress:

Ba2 is very pretty and imaginative. The idea is that Black wants to play g5 and foretress, but Qc2+! stops it. Ba2-Bb1 stops Qc2, and paves the way for a foretress. The final position is a foretress - white has no way of making progress.

Giving up the queen for chances of a foretress with two bishops was very nice as well.

Strangemover

Nov 29, 2020

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#284

OP would probably consider that on this occasion there were 2 Kuntes playing...

EminemTheMonster

Nov 29, 2020

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#285

Strangemover wrote:

OP would probably consider that on this occasion there were 2 Kuntes playing...

LOL

ChessEuphonium

Nov 29, 2020

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#286

i keep resigning know I am a loser and can't win, but this website stops me from playing just because they think im a cheater >: (

wornaki

Nov 29, 2020

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#287

What I'm trying to say by bringing up Giri vs Xiong is that it was an obvious draw at that level. In fact, it was an obvious draw at typical master level (forget about whether. G, I, F or even C or N master level). What did Giri willingly do? Play unnecessary moves and then agree to a draw a couple of moves before it was going to be called anyway.

That's bad manners, right there, in OTB chess, at GM level, in an official tournament. The same crappy attitude.

Anonymous_Dragon

Nov 29, 2020

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#288

wornaki wrote:

What I'm trying to say by bringing up Giri vs Xiong is that it was an obvious draw at that level. In fact, it was an obvious draw at typical master level (forget about whether. G, I, F or even C or N master level). What did Giri willingly do? Play unnecessary moves and then agree to a draw a couple of moves before it was going to be called anyway.

That's bad manners, right there, in OTB chess, at GM level, in an official tournament. The same crappy attitude.

Bruh listen , I am not being rude but I don't think so you have the ability yet to evaluate the games of super GMs and tell that a position was certainly draw and the moves made further were unnecessary.

EminemTheMonster

Nov 29, 2020

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#289

wornaki wrote:

What I'm trying to say by bringing up Giri vs Xiong is that it was an obvious draw at that level. In fact, it was an obvious draw at typical master level (forget about whether. G, I, F or even C or N master level). What did Giri willingly do? Play unnecessary moves and then agree to a draw a couple of moves before it was going to be called anyway.

That's bad manners, right there, in OTB chess, at GM level, in an official tournament. The same crappy attitude.

which tournament? sometimes they keep playing on because they play on because of tournament situation, qualifications, titles, etc.

angrypotato33

Nov 29, 2020

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#290

You suck it up and try and figure it out

wornaki

Nov 29, 2020

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#291

Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

wornaki wrote:

What I'm trying to say by bringing up Giri vs Xiong is that it was an obvious draw at that level. In fact, it was an obvious draw at typical master level (forget about whether. G, I, F or even C or N master level). What did Giri willingly do? Play unnecessary moves and then agree to a draw a couple of moves before it was going to be called anyway.

That's bad manners, right there, in OTB chess, at GM level, in an official tournament. The same crappy attitude.

Bruh listen , I am not being rude but I don't think so you have the ability yet to evaluate the games of super GMs and tell that a position was certainly draw and the moves made further were unnecessary.

Listen, bruh. I did not come up with that. The game was commented on by several GMs, IMs and even FMs to the same conclusion.

Anonymous_Dragon

Nov 29, 2020

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#292

wornaki wrote:

Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

wornaki wrote:

What I'm trying to say by bringing up Giri vs Xiong is that it was an obvious draw at that level. In fact, it was an obvious draw at typical master level (forget about whether. G, I, F or even C or N master level). What did Giri willingly do? Play unnecessary moves and then agree to a draw a couple of moves before it was going to be called anyway.

That's bad manners, right there, in OTB chess, at GM level, in an official tournament. The same crappy attitude.

Bruh listen , I am not being rude but I don't think so you have the ability yet to evaluate the games of super GMs and tell that a position was certainly draw and the moves made further were unnecessary.

Listen, bruh. I did not come up with that. The game was commented on by several GMs, IMs and even FMs to the same conclusion.

So neither are they qualified enough to comment on GMs games unless they are looking up an engine. Secondly both of them had their Queens and five or 6 pawns on board. So how the heck is that a draw ? Any side can win if they build up pressure ? Why call it a draw ? Is it because both of them had equal material ? Then why not declare all games draw at the very beginning of the match ?

EminemTheMonster

Nov 29, 2020

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#293

which Giri vs Xiong game?

PleasantEscalator

Nov 29, 2020

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#294

wornaki wrote:

Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

wornaki wrote:

What I'm trying to say by bringing up Giri vs Xiong is that it was an obvious draw at that level. In fact, it was an obvious draw at typical master level (forget about whether. G, I, F or even C or N master level). What did Giri willingly do? Play unnecessary moves and then agree to a draw a couple of moves before it was going to be called anyway.

That's bad manners, right there, in OTB chess, at GM level, in an official tournament. The same crappy attitude.

Bruh listen , I am not being rude but I don't think so you have the ability yet to evaluate the games of super GMs and tell that a position was certainly draw and the moves made further were unnecessary.

Listen, bruh. I did not come up with that. The game was commented on by several GMs, IMs and even FMs to the same conclusion.

Nice u have no clue how to use bruh smh 😑

EminemTheMonster

Nov 29, 2020

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#295

StressFreaksMeOut wrote:

wornaki wrote:

Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

wornaki wrote:

What I'm trying to say by bringing up Giri vs Xiong is that it was an obvious draw at that level. In fact, it was an obvious draw at typical master level (forget about whether. G, I, F or even C or N master level). What did Giri willingly do? Play unnecessary moves and then agree to a draw a couple of moves before it was going to be called anyway.

That's bad manners, right there, in OTB chess, at GM level, in an official tournament. The same crappy attitude.

Bruh listen , I am not being rude but I don't think so you have the ability yet to evaluate the games of super GMs and tell that a position was certainly draw and the moves made further were unnecessary.

Listen, bruh. I did not come up with that. The game was commented on by several GMs, IMs and even FMs to the same conclusion.

Nice u have no clue how to use bruh smh 😑

bruh

PleasantEscalator

Nov 29, 2020

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#296

lmfao

wornaki

Nov 29, 2020

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#297

Back to topic, I have decided to test the idea that only beginner players play chess with obnoxious attitudes. After my daily games are over, I'll challenge people over 1600 in blitz and if they take me, I'll check how obnoxious they are. I'll report back at 25 games, if I get to them. Time control will be 3+0, so as to entice flagging and tricks and traps, for both rated and unrated games. We'll see. My hunch (and hypothesis) is that there will be little nonsense, but I'll test it.

Anonymous_Dragon

Nov 29, 2020

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#298

wornaki wrote:

Back to topic, I have decided to test the idea that only beginner players play chess with obnoxious attitudes. After my daily games are over, I'll challenge people over 1600 in blitz and if they take me, I'll check how obnoxious they are. I'll report back at 25 games, if I get to them. Time control will be 3+0, so as to entice flagging and tricks and traps, for both rated and unrated games. We'll see. My hunch (and hypothesis) is that there will be little nonsense, but I'll test it.

if you play 1600s you obviously arent going to end up in a winning position ....how are you going to check how obnoxious they are ?

PleasantEscalator

Nov 29, 2020

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#299

Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

wornaki wrote:

Back to topic, I have decided to test the idea that only beginner players play chess with obnoxious attitudes. After my daily games are over, I'll challenge people over 1600 in blitz and if they take me, I'll check how obnoxious they are. I'll report back at 25 games, if I get to them. Time control will be 3+0, so as to entice flagging and tricks and traps, for both rated and unrated games. We'll see. My hunch (and hypothesis) is that there will be little nonsense, but I'll test it.

if you play 1600s you obviously arent going to end up in a winning position ....how are you going to check how obnoxious they are ?

Yea and they won’t accept ur challenge smh

PleasantEscalator

Nov 29, 2020

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#300

Where’s ur iq