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When to resign - Etiquette - An honest appeal
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Oct 19, 2020
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#23
Interesting... so we've moved from some messages saying I take it too seriously when non resigning opponents would rather play a lost endgame. I couldn't care to mate that opponent and somehow I'm the one who takes it seriously. You know what? I do, I do take it seriously. I like a good sporting community. I like beginners to get better at the game (which also means being gracious in defeat, btw). I like to point out many attitudes that fly in online blitz are the seed of cultures issues if you want to play OTB chess to any serious degree. If what you seem to get from this message is me whining, so be it. My point, once again, is simple. Play well, be aggressive if you want, just don't be a posterior...
wornaki wrote:
A few times here I've stumbled upon non resigning people below 1200 in blitz. Granted, I play mostly 3+2 and increment accumulates if you know how to use it. Not to mention that it's blitz, so swindles and blundering are very much part of the nature of blitz. However...
As an appeal to all of you who never resign lost positions, not even down on time and on the board, please stop that. I know, I know, your opponent has to convert, it's within the rules, you want to see the checkmate pattern they go for to mate you, it's funny to see their blundering. But please, don't. Resign lost positions and play another game. If you can't resist forcing your opponent to convert 2 pieces up in the hopes of swindling (sometimes you will succeed in this) or you want to test if your opponent can mate you R+K vs K or B+K+k vs K, please... at least make it known in the chat, and do it infrequently, the more infrequently, the better.
I've recently blocked one player who forced me to mate him R+K vs K, and in the end I didn't (couldn't care). He got his well fought draw and I got to block him. Don't be that kind of beginner player. Unless you're playing a very important game (it doesn't even have to be rated to be important) and the consensus is that no quarter will be given, don't become the obnoxious non resigner.
Follow good etiquette. Acknowledge you're lost, resign and play your next game. If you ever play chess people OTB in either rapid or classical chess and you routinely don't resign obviously lost positions, your social standing in whatever serious chess scene will take a dive. It's all fun and whatnot in blitz over the internet. Heck, if there is no increment, flagging is part of the game... but please, don't get those attitudes in classical/rapid chess OTB. Learn to resign gracefully and become an upright chess citizen.
BRUH U CANT TELL PEOPLE WHEN TO RESIGN OR NOT
JUST LEARN HOW TO WIN WINNING POSITIONS
Oct 19, 2020
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#26
I could say just learn to go by good sporting manners. But whereas I can learn to win won positions I doubt you will grow a sense of decency and respect for the game and for your opponent.
yes i wont cause ur opponet dosent deserve the win if he cant convert
Oct 19, 2020
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#28
To the OP, you don't need to look beyond your own games today to see why no one should resign at your level. You had a totally winning position and screwed it up. It would have been nice if your opponent handed you the win, but you didn't earn it.
Oct 19, 2020
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#29
You are the type of player who won't have a take or give a takeback over a mouseslip... You seem to be the type of player that doesn't care about the game, the community who plays it or anything else besides winning. I think you sincerely want beginners to grow into insanely aggressive habits likely to border on tricks and extra board tactics. I, on the contrary, just state that it's not a good road to take.
Oct 19, 2020
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#30
Once again... I repeat myself. Mine is an appeal for a better community and for a better standing on your chess community OTB. The way I play chess here has nothing to do with my message.
Oct 19, 2020
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#31
I invited controversy with my thread and expected no less in these forums. Bad habits are formed throughout a long time of misguided thinking. The abundance of cheaters, flaggers, tricksters, stallers and more are a result of most beginners starting online and absorbing from the milieu of the online mentality, learning nothing but "I must win at all costs" or "I want to see if I can annoy my opponent to no end", "if you mouseslip, I'm going to be a posterior and never give you a takeback". All of those habits foster bad chess communities when you really face the people you aggravate...
Oct 19, 2020
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#32
I see what you're trying to say, but it is not good manners/etiquette to resign in the positions you mentioned at the beginner level. There is at least a 25% chance you manage a draw. Playing on is what enables beginners to become better players
Oct 19, 2020
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#33
wornaki wrote:
I invited controversy with my thread and expected no less in these forums. Bad habits are formed throughout a long time of misguided thinking. The abundance of cheaters, flaggers, tricksters, stallers and more are a result of most beginners starting online and absorbing from the milieu of the online mentality, learning nothing but "I must win at all costs" or "I want to see if I can annoy my opponent to no end", "if you mouseslip, I'm going to be a posterior and never give you a takeback". All of those habits foster bad chess communities when you really face the people you aggravate...
I sincerely urge you to calm your t*ts
Oct 19, 2020
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#34
IMBacon wrote:
wornaki wrote:
I invited controversy with my thread and expected no less in these forums. Bad habits are formed throughout a long time of misguided thinking. The abundance of cheaters, flaggers, tricksters, stallers and more are a result of most beginners starting online and absorbing from the milieu of the online mentality, learning nothing but "I must win at all costs" or "I want to see if I can annoy my opponent to no end", "if you mouseslip, I'm going to be a posterior and never give you a takeback". All of those habits foster bad chess communities when you really face the people you aggravate...
You could have posted: "The sky is blue" And that would have caused controversy. You did nothing wrong with your post. You simply offered up your opinion. Some will agree. Some will disagree. And some...well...welcome to the internet.
Can't resist: https://www.forbes.com/sites/briankoberlein/2017/01/11/earths-skies-are-violet-we-just-see-them-as-blue/#277bbebe735f
Oct 19, 2020
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#35
Fascinating how done people are still fixated on me and seem oblivious to the message. They make it about me playing a queen down with obvious compensation in the clock and on position. The message is obviously lost, but, oh well, I try my best. Hopefully some beginner here will appreciate the reasoning. :) And then we will have better chess communities in both OTB and online chess.
Oct 19, 2020
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#36
You seem to believe that's a rule. I wonder why that is so (for a chance of a swindle)? it certainly can't to learn defense or else the beginner wouldn't have got themselves in the losing position in the first place...
Oct 19, 2020
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#37
wornaki wrote:
You seem to believe that's a rule. I wonder why that is so (for a chance of a swindle)? it certainly can't to learn defense or else the beginner wouldn't have got themselves in the losing position in the first place...
Ok, now you are losing it completely.
Oct 19, 2020
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#38
S., you want to make it about me. Fine, tell me why I should resign when I'm up on time and I have very sure chances of a draw by either stalemating myself or trading off the entire pawnage. Come on, give me your wise reasons. Look at my original message and read closely and you'll see the type of circumstances I mentioned for resigning. Tell me which of those apply to that game of mine... Go ahead, all eyes
wornaki wrote:
You seem to believe that's a rule. I wonder why that is so (for a chance of a swindle)? it certainly can't to learn defense or else the beginner wouldn't have got themselves in the losing position in the first place...
Defending while down a piece is a skill in and of itself. Learn to play from behind, you'll find that a lot more games are winnable when you play towards the end instead of conceding as soon as things don't go your way. There's no rule to whether you should resign a lost position or not so people don't have to resign if the game isn't over yet.
Oct 19, 2020
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#40
IMBacon wrote:
wornaki wrote:
You seem to believe that's a rule. I wonder why that is so (for a chance of a swindle)? it certainly can't to learn defense or else the beginner wouldn't have got themselves in the losing position in the first place...
You keep referring to "beginners" like that doesnt include you. It does.
I never ever said I wasn't a beginner. In fact, if you see my other posts here... I lament that I'm one in many ways. I don't see what's the point of saying "You shouldn't resign at your level" and then not back it up with any reasoning.
I COMPLETELY Disagree. Frankly, if I'm in a winning position, it feels better to administer the checkmate in the end then having your opponent just resign. Also, if they stall just report them xD