When to resign - Etiquette - An honest appeal

The reason is that beginners are expected to learn from the experience. You rejected this idea earlier, but your reasoning was totally lame. Let me quote: "it certainly can't to learn defense or else the beginner wouldn't have got themselves in the losing position in the first place...".

What?

Interesting how I treated this in a civil tone and I get called a whiner, a hypocrite (you seem to not have read "not even down on time and on the board, please stop that.") and I have the pleasure of being "outed" as someone who can't mate R and K vs K. Many here, exemplify the lack of manners and sportsmanship that is so prevalent in online chess. If any beginners out there want to know a different side to chess, one that is far less vicious and much more interesting, I suggest you speak up the way I do. That way, you will see how many people cannot be trusted with being good stewards of the game and then you can weed them out.

If you didn't care about stuff like this, you might actually enjoy the game.

 What is there to learn? To get checkmated? To swindle your opponent? You tell me...

A post mortem is way more instructive than playing moves in a lost position only to annoy and disrespect the game and your opponent.

I care about healthy communities. That's why I say what I say. Also I said in my original message and in several others, that I appealed to beginners to not develop bad habits so that they don't risk being annoying and to others in an OTB chess life.

@wornaki, in a healthy community people respect other peoples' preferences, even if they find them annoying.

Well, I respect those preferences. I made an appeal on the grounds of my understanding of etiquette (which many don't share) to beginners who want to be good sportspeople outside of the online world (and maybe that will surreptitiously get to be a good habit in the online world too). What did I get in the thread that I started with an honest appeal? What I expected. Derision, outright hostility, being "outed", called a hypocrite. I don't think many people here have respected my preferences at all...

Two observations:  What made you think your opponent was not a beginner who didn't know that his position was lost?  And if you couldn't checkmate with K+R vs K  you did not deserve a win.

Sure, there are disrespectful people out there, but what does that have to do with the question at hand?

Anyway, you are of course completely free to share your opinion like the Bazillion of previous posters who fought on either side of this war.

Wanna know what I find disturbing about the community? That there are so many players insisting that there is some superior way to play chess. Some want you to resign early, some complain when you resign early (yes, really), some complain when you disable chat, some even complain about players choosing certain openings. Let's please try to live with some variety.

Two responses:

I merely illustrated my point with that example. The entire message does not hinge on what happened in that game. Unless my opponent was seriously sandbagging, he was still a beginner and yet, he knew how to be annoying and keep threatening my rook.

I didn't care to win that game. I rarely care for endgames that are already won. I'd rather play the next game. I could've resigned instead of going on for 50 more moves, but since my opponent was being annoying, i thought the 50 move rule was a far better ending. The minute I noticed my opponent didn't resign the endgame, i knew it was either going to be a long mate (I had mate in 11 several times) which I couldn't care for, or he would blunder and get mated. He didn't blunder... so I decided not to go for the mate.

Believe it or not, the hypocrisy gets worse.

In this game, Wornaki was down by a queen on move 40.  Did he resign?  No!  On move 53 it was KP vs KQPP, but did he resign? NO.

His inept opponent had mate in 5 on move 40 but it took him until move 95 to finally finish off Wornaki.

Wornaki, what is your belief again?  What was that about bad manners?  

You are the real loser here. Your point doesn't even make sense. You wanted him to resign the game, and because he didn't you let him have the draw? That's not how it works. If he doesn't resign, then finish him off. The entitlement, pretention, and pompous attitude which you are currently displaying is making my head hurt. 

You don't need to make some giant forums page appealing for people to resign when you yourself are too lazy to take the extra minute to checkmate him. It's not that hard to checkmate with a rook and it barely takes any time. People literally premove it in bullet. You obviously suck at checkmating with a rook and king if you feel like it takes effort to do so. 

"I didn't know the checkmate so my opponent got the draw"

Wornaki is just some pretentious beginner who feels like it is other people's duties to resign and that completely won endgame are "not worth his time."

You're free to believe that. I didn't care to do mate in 11.

That's how I play here. My message is not about how I play, but about resignation etiquette.

Call me lazy, but I don't want to calculate endgames. Still, the etiquette thing is what interests me.

You make no sense. If your opponent did not know he was lost, WHAT DID HE DO WRONG?

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BRO YOU LITERALL HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO DO A ROOK ENDGAME. A ROOK ENDGAME CAN LITERALLY BE PREMOVED. IT IS SOOOO EASY. YOU DON'T NEED TO CALCULATE, IT IS A SIMPLE PATTERN