When to resign - Etiquette - An honest appeal

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wornaki

Mock me all you want. It's not like I can do anything to stop it, so *shrugs*.

Strangemover
wornaki wrote:

@strangemover unfamiliar territory is a good phrase. Very apt. If only I could believe that he decided to play a5 because he didn't know what else to do... *eyeroll*

Well of course unlikely. But who knows his motivations and thoughts? Perhaps he was tilting, perhaps just decided on a whim to push the flank pawns, whatever. The point remains that you just have to beat what's put in front of you, this is the great thing about chess - every game is different. Sure you are entitled to block whoever you like for whatever reason, just as your opponents are entitled to play whatever moves they like for whatever reason. 

wornaki

And I've never said otherwise @strangemover. I think you understand my reasons to block, even if you don't share them in the least... And by understand I don't mean think that they are good reasons, but more so that they are just reasons, connected to my view of etiquette.

alexchenchess
Knightmaster2008 wrote:

"I could've mated the guy, but I wasn't up for thinking"

So true.

alexchenchess
wornaki wrote:

And I've never said otherwise @strangemover. I think you understand my reasons to block, even if you don't share them in the least... And by understand I don't mean think that they are good reasons, but more so that they are just reasons, connected to my view of etiquette.

you're just that type of person who rages all the time. Suck it up.

Strangemover

Yes you've made your feelings clear and are not to be swayed. You could help yourself in 2 ways though I think and ensure you have a more satisfactory experience of online chess:

1.Beating these players and increasing your rating in order to be matched with stronger players.

2.Playing a different time control.

I say this because I play a lot of daily chess and it's extremely rare that an opponent will make obscure opening moves. Playing on in hopeless positions happens sometimes, but that's outside of my control and I'm a patient man. 

2.I play a lot of 30/0 live chess and again it is very rare to see bizarre opening play and gambits/traps on the extreme end of the scale. Stalling and time scramble cheapos are also very rare given the leisurely pace. 

Probably the reason I hardly see it is because my opponents are generally in the 1700-2100 range and so they and I both know its a poor strategy which will likely cost them the game. 

alexchenchess
Strangemover wrote:

Yes you've made your feelings clear and are not to be swayed. You could help yourself in 2 ways though I think and ensure you have a more satisfactory experience of online chess:

1.Beating these players and increasing your rating in order to be matched with stronger players.

2.Playing a different time control.

I say this because I play a lot of daily chess and it's extremely rare that an opponent will make obscure opening moves. Playing on in hopeless positions happens sometimes, but that's outside of my control and I'm a patient man. 

2.I play a lot of 30/0 live chess and again it is very rare to see bizarre opening play and gambits/traps on the extreme end of the scale. Stalling and time scramble cheapos are also very rare given the leisurely pace. 

Probably the reason I hardly see it is because my opponents are generally in the 1700-2100 range and so they and I both know its a poor strategy which will likely cost them the game. 

True. If you don't like your opponent, change the settings, instead of brutally blocking them and complaining about their personality, where its obvious you suck.

wornaki

@strangemover chess online, not unlike many sports/games is much more interesting and rich as an experience when it's played in the best way. It's a shame that one has to go through a lot of mud to find a pearl... Maybe at some point I'll be strong enough in blitz that I'll rarely have to play that kind of ugly chess.

wornaki

I may suck, but at least I suck playing according to my etiquette, which makes me feel true to myself. Also a block isn't brutal.

alexchenchess

Y do u block ppl based on personality. Then you complain that they're out of their mind. 

wornaki

I don't block them based on personality. I block them based on what I perceive to be lack of etiquette (behaviour) that is confirmed or strongly presumed. And I've blocked very few people here.

JeffGreen333
wornaki wrote:

His "excuse" for playing that was "so that you're out of your prep". Sure... That's not the reason. The reason is to be annoying. He earned his block.

I'm inclined to believe his reason over yours.   If I played a gambit, it would be to get my opponent's out of their prep.   In fact, almost all of my opening repertoire was designed to get my opponents out of their prep.   I play system openings that transpose into normal book openings, after 3-5 moves.   I don't play chess to annoy anyone.   I play to have fun and to win, like 99.999999% of players do.   I'm guessing those that play to annoy other players are in the 0.000001% minority.   So, I'd bet a million dollars that you're wrong.   I'd even give you odds.  Human beings are MUCH more likely to play to win rather than play to annoy people.   In fact, that's why there are so many cheaters in online chess.   The desire to win is so strong that it causes some players to cheat.   It has nothing to do with you.   It's about them and their egos.   They can't stand to lose.   That's why they play out losing games and that's why they play offbeat openings and gambits.   To increase their chances of winning.   

JeffGreen333
wornaki wrote:

If you want to see what I mean by using certain playing styles (including unsound gambits and openings) as a proxy for the detection of annoying players, my latest opponent (from India is a good example). Naturally, I blocked him.

Lots of newbs open with their rook pawns.   He didn't do that to annoy you.   He did it because he doesn't know book openings yet.   lol   

JeffGreen333
wornaki wrote:

They can play whatever they want. I'll just block those who, in my opinion, just play that way to annoy their opponent. I don't care about the result of the game or whether or not I "learn" anything from the game. I consider it a breach of the kind of respect I deserve as a player. Playing that way basically shows that, according to them, I don't deserve their best. Well, if I don't deserve their best, they don't deserve playing me.

Get your rating up to 2000 and then maybe you can demand respect.   

JeffGreen333
wornaki wrote:

The reason I brought the style of play into the fold is simple. I happen to think that the broad term etiquette encompasses playing your best against your opponents. Then again, from my point of view, if you play a certain way, you aren't playing your best and/or you're playing merely to annoy your opponent. That's etiquette to me too. The minute I see people my level playing that way OTB, even in blitz, I'll change my mind. I'll take a seat while I wait.

Many 1000-rated players don't even know book openings, so they are not playing dubious opening moves to annoy you.   They are playing them because they don't know how to open properly.   If someone opens with their rook pawns, you should be able to beat them easily.   Instead of getting mad and blocking them, you should be glad that they blundered and take full advantage of it by controlling the center of the board.

JeffGreen333
wornaki wrote:

@strangemover chess online, not unlike many sports/games is much more interesting and rich as an experience when it's played in the best way. It's a shame that one has to go through a lot of mud to find a pearl... Maybe at some point I'll be strong enough in blitz that I'll rarely have to play that kind of ugly chess.

No, you won't get stronger in blitz unless you practice tactics all day, every day.  Blitz is all about speed, tactics and memorizing variations.   If that's not your cup of tea, then you should be playing much longer games.   

wornaki

We shall see about that ;)

wornaki

Also, we'll also see if I get any respect sooner than 2000. Although, based on your rating I guess I do well in not respecting your opinion. ;)

OzzieTezz

Should I have resigned?

Anonymous_Dragon
wornaki wrote:

Also, we'll also see if I get any respect sooner than 2000. Although, based on your rating I guess I do well in not respecting your opinion. ;)

You will get respect if you respect others and understand that the dynamics of the game are different at different rating ranges.