Why did I suddenly start getting worse?! Anyone else had this?

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Goes_in_all_directions

Soooo, I started playing chess daily online on new years day 2021.  I have a little bit of offline experience, so started off at a rating of about 1000, rising slowly but steadily. 

By April, my ranking had reached 1150, and I was beating people with a similar ranking about 50% of the time.  Then, one day, I started losing more than I was winning.  I thought it was just a phase, but I just kept watching as my ranking tumbled.  I took a fortnight off, came back, same thing. . . 

I now lose to people rated in the upper 900s more often than not, and I can't seem to turn it around?  What gives?  Has anyone else had this?  You start off playing reasonably well, then seem to get stuck in some kind of downward spiral?!

IMKeto

Uneven results is what you get with a steady diet of speed chess.

Goes_in_all_directions

Fair comment, but this hasn't been "up-down-up-down", it was "up once, then continually down!"

 

IMKeto

Thats up and down

usernameone

For what it is worth, I was started out around the same level you were and slowly declined until I was hovering in the 500 range, now I pretty much fluxuate between 500 and 600, I can't seem to break out of 600 rating.

ninjaswat

Focus on tactics and not hanging pieces. Play no bullet or blitz. Do one or two 15+10 games a day, and analyze them thoroughly. Do 20 puzzles spread out (wherever you can) and practice endgames for half an hour at least a day. You should improve after that... According to my 0 days of experience as a coach...

ninjaswat
DigitalWarfare wrote:

Even 15+10 is too fast for him to sufficiently learn. It's too fast for most of us in all reality. I know it's too fast for me to play out a proper game. He should be playing longer games with increment so that the endgames aren't microwaved. 30+30, 45+45, 60+10, etc. 

Sorry I learned on 30+0 and 55+5 OTB but I actually feel I have too much time to think in 15+10 games... I don't have anything really to think about in them, so why should I play even longer chess?

IMKeto

If you cant go through each of these spreadsheets on each move without losing on time?  Then youre playing to fast.

Opening Principles:

  1. Control the center squares – d4-e4-d5-e5
  2. Develop your minor pieces toward the center – piece activity is the key
  3. Castle
  4. Connect your rooks

Tactics...tactics...tactics...

The objective of development is about improving the value of your pieces by increasing the importance of their roles. Well-developed pieces have more fire-power than undeveloped pieces and they do more in helping you gain control.

Now we will look at 5 practical things you can do to help you achieve your development objective.

They are:

  1. Give priority to your least active pieces.
  • Which piece needs to be developed (which piece is the least active)
  • Where should it go (where can its role be maximized)
  1. Exchange your least active pieces for your opponent’s active pieces.
  2. Restrict the development of your opponent’s pieces.
  3. Neutralize your opponent’s best piece.
  4. Secure strong squares for your pieces.

 

Don’t help your opponent develop.

There are 2 common mistakes whereby you will simply be helping your opponent to develop:

  1. Making a weak threat that can easily be blocked
  2. Making an exchange that helps your opponent to develop a piece

 

Pre Move Checklist:

  1. Make sure all your pieces are safe.
  2. Look for forcing moves: Checks, captures, threats. You want to look at ALL forcing moves (even the bad ones) as this will force you look at, and see the entire board.
  3. If there are no forcing moves, you then want to remove any of your opponent’s pieces from your side of the board.
  4. If your opponent doesn’t have any of his pieces on your side of the board, then you want to improve the position of your least active piece.
  5. After each move by your opponent, ask yourself: "What is my opponent trying to do?"
ninjaswat

doing all of them except for the #3 and #4 on the last section, and maybe need to improve on trading and tactics...

ninjaswat
usernameone wrote:

One thing that has helped me was to move the bishops pawns one square when I am first setting up, it will save your rooks later on.

Or just not hang the knight pawns...

ninjaswat
DigitalWarfare wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:
DigitalWarfare wrote:

Even 15+10 is too fast for him to sufficiently learn. It's too fast for most of us in all reality. I know it's too fast for me to play out a proper game. He should be playing longer games with increment so that the endgames aren't microwaved. 30+30, 45+45, 60+10, etc. 

Sorry I learned on 30+0 and 55+5 OTB but I actually feel I have too much time to think in 15+10 games... I don't have anything really to think about in them, so why should I play even longer chess?

 

Basically, if you don't know what to think about and consider during the time given in a 45+45 or longer - You still don't even remotely understand chess. You're still at step 1 ...or even 0 and your rating supports this. IMBacon's post highlights the kind of considerations that need to be made during your move and when it's your opponent's move. The highest level super GM's of today are regularly in time trouble during classical games. If they have that much to think about and consider - you most definitely do, too. 

You're right I'm still a noob but I do.look at these things in longer games, just haven't had time to do many as of now.

ninjaswat
DigitalWarfare wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:
DigitalWarfare wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:
DigitalWarfare wrote:

Even 15+10 is too fast for him to sufficiently learn. It's too fast for most of us in all reality. I know it's too fast for me to play out a proper game. He should be playing longer games with increment so that the endgames aren't microwaved. 30+30, 45+45, 60+10, etc. 

Sorry I learned on 30+0 and 55+5 OTB but I actually feel I have too much time to think in 15+10 games... I don't have anything really to think about in them, so why should I play even longer chess?

 

Basically, if you don't know what to think about and consider during the time given in a 45+45 or longer - You still don't even remotely understand chess. You're still at step 1 ...or even 0 and your rating supports this. IMBacon's post highlights the kind of considerations that need to be made during your move and when it's your opponent's move. The highest level super GM's of today are regularly in time trouble during classical games. If they have that much to think about and consider - you most definitely do, too. 

You're right I'm still a noob but I do.look at these things in longer games, just haven't had time to do many as of now.

 

Not having the time to devote to proper chess growth is another subject and entirely reasonable. This is why most people don't progress past a certain age: They just don't wind up devoting the time required to truly improve at Chess. It absolutely requires sacrifices and commitment. To be a class c or b club player for life? No. To be truly good or even great at the game? Absolutely. Being great at anything requires sacrifice. 

Honestly your advice and that of @IMBacon will get me off the forums and playing more. Thanks for that! I need this energy to continue to get better at chess. Time to stretch my brain.

snow

don't have a mindset that is like "I need to win more games than losses." Just play calmly and positively. That's how I usually stop my tilts.

 

ninjaswat
DigitalWarfare wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:
DigitalWarfare wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:
DigitalWarfare wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:
DigitalWarfare wrote:

Even 15+10 is too fast for him to sufficiently learn. It's too fast for most of us in all reality. I know it's too fast for me to play out a proper game. He should be playing longer games with increment so that the endgames aren't microwaved. 30+30, 45+45, 60+10, etc. 

Sorry I learned on 30+0 and 55+5 OTB but I actually feel I have too much time to think in 15+10 games... I don't have anything really to think about in them, so why should I play even longer chess?

 

Basically, if you don't know what to think about and consider during the time given in a 45+45 or longer - You still don't even remotely understand chess. You're still at step 1 ...or even 0 and your rating supports this. IMBacon's post highlights the kind of considerations that need to be made during your move and when it's your opponent's move. The highest level super GM's of today are regularly in time trouble during classical games. If they have that much to think about and consider - you most definitely do, too. 

You're right I'm still a noob but I do.look at these things in longer games, just haven't had time to do many as of now.

 

Not having the time to devote to proper chess growth is another subject and entirely reasonable. This is why most people don't progress past a certain age: They just don't wind up devoting the time required to truly improve at Chess. It absolutely requires sacrifices and commitment. To be a class c or b club player for life? No. To be truly good or even great at the game? Absolutely. Being great at anything requires sacrifice. 

Honestly your advice and that of @IMBacon will get me off the forums and playing more. Thanks for that! I need this energy to continue to get better at chess. Time to stretch my brain.

 

You're very welcome. The fact that you stopped what you were doing, created the thread, and sought advice - puts you ahead of quite a many already. You'd be surprised how many people - in any venue - will never do that and instead just keep repeating the same losing cycle. 

Balance is important. My problem with things I engage in fully is that I simply have trouble stopping for the night, eating, sleeping, taking care of myself. I've made a ton of progress on this front over time, though. So, the occasional forum browse, or day away from the game and instead spent with a friend ...is more than fine. When it's a chess day, however - that's what it is. It's not about the forums, or facebook, or going out to take a walk/ride. It's about Chess. Slow chess, analysis, study, and improvement. 

I'm not the OP but yeah this is good advice for me! (Why did that rhyme something smells like thyme...)

ninjaswat
GBTGBA wrote:

I have retired from the stressful hyperbullet.  It used to be fun until I lost 400 points at least twice! I couldn’t even beat 500 rated players!  I’m completely burned out after battling my way back to 1500 at least twice! So now I play the relaxing no pressure ultrabullet. No thinking required at all. Maybe op should try it too. 

... try rapid hotshot...

Chushoudelu
ninjaswat wrote:
DigitalWarfare wrote:

Even 15+10 is too fast for him to sufficiently learn. It's too fast for most of us in all reality. I know it's too fast for me to play out a proper game. He should be playing longer games with increment so that the endgames aren't microwaved. 30+30, 45+45, 60+10, etc. 

Sorry I learned on 30+0 and 55+5 OTB but I actually feel I have too much time to think in 15+10 games... I don't have anything really to think about in them, so why should I play even longer chess?

i play 90+30 in otb bruh 30 minute is rapid

Tobi-01

I analysed your last five games, in all of them you made at least 4-8 pawn moves in the opening, frequently pushed f6 or f3 before your king was castled (very weakening as it opens the diagonal to your king) and castled in exactly 0 of them. You also "play" the Caro-Kann, although you play lines such as (1.e4, c6, d4, d5, e5, f6??) Now you don't have to play mainline theory at all, but making an inaccuracy right after one of the most common replies white can make on move 3 is just horrendous. Google the opening principles and stick to them.

daxypoo
sidestepping all the “playing proper time controls” (which is relevant and most important)

i find that i will immediately play worse, have worse results, and suffer a bad mindset/attitude if i ever indulge in “entitlement/hubristic” behavior

when i reach a point where i actually think i know something about this and have things figured out i will promptly get stomped

i have most success when i disregard ratings, have utmost respect for opponent, and dont play with a big head
Lexhibition

In my case it mostly depends on how I feel, if I feel good I play well for a period of time, if I have a stressful period, I play way below what I'm capable of. Nowadays I don't play much rapid if I don't feel well and rapid is the only rating I take seriously.

Paul_Rees
Goes_in_all_directions wrote:

...I can't seem to turn it around?  What gives?  Has anyone else had this?  You start off playing reasonably well, then seem to get stuck in some kind of downward spiral?!

Yep. I feel ya. Going through the same thing myself at the moment. Just gotta keep on keepin' on and work on it. You've been there before. You'll be there again. At least that's what I tell myself happy.png