can animals play chess

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Dragonbice
LoekBergman wrote:

I am too pretty sure that the question meant to exclude humans, but then you have a question in the category 'do you love beating your wife?' It is for me a fallacy of the type loaded questions.

When you classify humans opposite to animals, then do you classify humans at the same time not as a primate or mammal. That is inevitable. You can not say that we are family of the chimpansees (animals) yet we are no animals. If you put humans on one side and animals on the other, then are all human beings not a mammal anymore. If someone is reasoning incorrectly yet to stubborn to admit his own illogical reasoning does not make the reasoning correct or logical. If you contradict yourself, then you contradict yourself.

I do not classify humans as either animals or not animals, that's my whole point. Ask yourself why the word 'animal' exists at all? Humans are animals in the sense that they are primates and mammals and descend from species that are, indisputably, animals. In another sense they are not animals, for no other reason than that the word is almost always used to distinguish humans from animals. I'm not contradicting myself and I'm not being stubborn about anything. I like to think of humans as animals as well but presenting a view or opinion or idea as cold hard facts, makes me react.

By the way, this is what Wikipedia says: "Today in scientific usage 'human' may refer to any member of the genus Homo." There are lots of primates and mammals out there, not of the genus Homo.

LoekBergman

I understood that you were showing a view point.

I stated that IF you are saying on the one hand that humans aren't animals yet are mammals that you are contradicting yourself and someone (not you) is stubborn IF that person reasons incorrectly yet does not admit that.

Randomemory was using a certain definition of mammals and animals. You questioned that. I question you can question that without contradiction.

If you use the definition that a human is not an animal and you take a look at the syllogism of Randomemory, then should you already object at the second line that humans are primates. Primates have in their definition that they are a mammal. A mammal has in its definition that it is an animal.

Please use one definition of animals at the time. There are also more definitions of the word 'to beat' in English at the same time, but in every context you should only use one - unless the confusion is intended (like in 'do you love to beat your wife ... with chess?') You can not make the shift halfway. Then are you contradicting yourself.

If you would have been more clear about that, then is what is at stake also more clearly.

Winnie_Pooh

Surely animals can play chess, even humans try to, but they perform rather poorly Laughing

attached some photo doccuments for proof:

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LoekBergman

Another proof animals can play chess:

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ProfessorProfesesen
LoekBergman wrote:
billyblatt wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:
PrairieDogSoup wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:

It's been proven.

and disproven

Common descent is well established with a wealth of scientific evidence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent

It's not been "disproven" at all -- furthest thing from it.

I was taught that no scientific theory can be proven, it can be only be disproven. 

You are correct. The process of corroboration is never a real proof, but a practical proof. It is the test what the explanatory power of a theory is, what the explanatory power of its alternatives is and what explanations are gone when you discard the theory.

Evolution theory has still some things to find out, but in general is the explanatory power enormous. DNA and RNA were not discovered before the evolution theory existed, yet it combines great with evolution theory. It combines great with the movement of the earth plates, it combines great with the process of reproduction etc etc..

To say it more precisely then that it is not disproven might you say: it is on this subject by far the theory with the greatest explanatory power of itself and has the most knowledge enriching links to previously unrelated theories of the world. But there is no verdict anywhere that you should believe it.

As a professor that is bad science. There is no such thing as 'practical proof'.

LoekBergman

As a professor that is bad science. There is no such thing as 'practical proof'.

In the sentence following that statement do I explain in more detail what I mean with it. Do you then still disagree with that statement?

jfmoylan

I've played like a monkey sometimes

PrairieDogSoup
melvernboy wrote:

Evoulution is not religion. Did your priest tell that?

school teacherSurprised

PrairieDogSoup
Winnie_Pooh wrote:
HAHAHA animals can play chess
 
PrairieDogSoup

people are really sensitive about religion

PrairieDogSoup

one thing about evolution if we are all animals where did we get all our rules from.We would not have descence. Then come the reason of life. It is ithere love a god or be the god.We search for something higher then us.Cause we were made that way.Satan took that way of being god please dont go down that road.Inside i know you know its true.You will always be in my prayers.

PrairieDogSoup

Feed the Machine

Turn around they might be watching

And you never disapoint them

Hide your innocence before they see right through

You mustnt disapoint them

Need the danger to feel your heart beat

Need to die to find your indentity

You need the knife to know you can bleed 

Need the pain to see if you feel anthing

           chorus

   We fall inline

   We live the lie

   Give up give up and FEED THE MACHINE

   It grows inside

   Nowhere to hide

   Give up give up FEED THE MACHINE

   Give up give up FEED THE MACHINE

               Verse 2

 They pull you faster

Acadian calling

And you never fall behind

So choose a face your only crawling now

Never fall behind

You another death to have a another life saved

You need a master just so you can beg

You need a light just cause you are so afraid

So bow down and learn to be a good slave

                   chorus

   We fall in line

   We live the lie

   Give up give up and FEED THE MACHINE

   It grows inside

   nowhere to hide

   Give up give up and FEED THE MACHINE

   Give up give up and FEED THE MACHINE

 

        SHHHHHH sleep

       Go back i to sleep

      believe the lie

     WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKEUP

              CHORUS 

     WE FALL IN LINE 

     WE LIVE THE LIE

     GIVE UP GIVE UP AND FEED THE MACHINE

     IT GROWS INSIDE

     NOWHERE TO HIDE

    WAKE UP WAKE UP AND KILL THE MACHINE

    WAKE UP WAKE UP AND KILL THE MACHINE

    WAKE UP WAKE UP AND KILL THE MACHINE

    WAKE UP WAKE UP AND KILL THE MACHINE

      Embarassed THERE IS HOPE

philtheking1981
PrairieDogSoup wrote:

one thing about evolution if we are all animals where did we get all our rules from.

 

All living creatures have 'rules'. Not just homo sapiens. This is very obviously evident in all social/pack animals.

PrairieDogSoup

Yeah but animals kill rape steel and many more.We dont do all thoughs.

philtheking1981
PrairieDogSoup wrote:

Yeah but animals kill rape steel and many more.We dont do all thoughs.

Yes we do. Oh, and just because these 'rules' exist, doesn't mean they can't be bent, or even broken.