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Chess Originated in China!
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long_quach a écrit :
@Master_Chang
1st and foremost, you live in China where the government controls the media and controls what you know. Read George Orwell's book 1984.
2nd. My name is Long Quach. I am Vietnamese. Both my grandfathers are Chinese. My "real" name is 龍槨. Vietnamese is half Chinese like English is half French.
3rd. I play Chinese Chess.
4th. The elephant (象). Which civilization fought with elephants? Have you ever seen a war elephant in a Chinese movie?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_elephant#Antiquity
5th. Ever watch Kung Fu movies, The Shaolin Temple and all that? That's the Shaolin Temple of Buddhism, which came from India.
Bonjour it's not that you are wrong, but I have some things to say about your arguments.
1. Your point about elephants doesn't stand. Elephants are in Africa and Asia ; India and Thaïlanda, for example, which means that Chinese are aware since a long long time that these animals exist. The fact they likely didn't use it as mounting war machines as did the Indians and Carthage doesn't mean the Chinese couldn't represent it in a game. Actually, the root of the Chinese character for elephant, 像 xiang, take its origin in the Shang period, which means elephants were already known in China between 1600-1046 before Christ (and even probably before they learned to write the name elephant, the animal was known).
2. There is no denying that Buddhism came from India. But why the need to play down the great accomplishment of Shaolin monks ? All the martial arts of Japan and Korea come from this.
long_quach a écrit :
Marc101101 wrote:
The fact they likely didn't use it as mounting war machines as did the Indians and Carthage doesn't mean the Chinese couldn't represent it in a game. Actually, the root of the Chinese character for elephant, 像 xiang, take its origin in the Shang period, which means elephants were known in China between 1600-1046 before Christ.
If they didn't use elephants in war, why would they put it in a war game? The Indians did in war, so they put it in a war game. Hence, Chess came from India.
Based on your argument, it could be coming from Africa as well. It is well known that Hannibal from Carthage faced the Romans with war elephants.
I think we would need more evidence to say that it came from India.
long_quach a écrit :
Marc101101 wrote:
2. There is no denying that Buddhism came from India. But why the need to play down the great accomplishment of Shaolin monks ? All the martial arts of Japan and Korea come from this.
When people hear of the Shaolin Temple, they think Chinese. They have to think for a moment to realize Buddhism came from India.
I didn't "play down" whatever. That is your interpretation.
By the way, Korea tried to hide the fact that Taekwondo came from China. It's real name is Tang Soo Do, The Way of Tang Hand, from the Tang dynasty.
Interesting.
It's true that the Chinese made their Buddhism very Chinese, just like the Japanese made it very Japanese, and maybe with time they forgot where it originally came from. Not a bad thing to remind them 
Have a nice day.
Chess originated in Persia, where there were, and are, a lot of Turkic people.
I disagree, it originated in Persia
chess was originated in india 100% sure
The earliest dice with the modern configuration occurred in China. Penalties for crooked dice were extreme. Travellers on the Silk Road could gamble in the knowledge that the dice were not crooked. Games involving 6 followed such as Backgammon and Chess.
Aug 30, 2020
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Master_Chang wrote:
As overwhelming as it was 2 years ago
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/chess-was-invented-in-china
Master Chang needs a new hobby.
I deny that Buddhism came from India. In fact it came from Afghanistan.
The real question is where did the Chinese come from ?
Saying chess was invented in China is like saying Scandinavians were invented in Africa.
I highly doubt Chess was invented in China because the game does not break after playing it 4-5 times.
Of course both China and Chess start with ‘Ch’
Cancel the ch out and your are left with ‘ina’ and ‘ess’
Shuffle these and you get the word ‘ Sansei’. A sansei is an American whose grandparents were immigrants from Japan.
This is pretty clear evidence that chess comes from Japan
long_quach a écrit :
Marc101101 wrote:
long_quach a écrit :
Marc101101 wrote:
The fact they likely didn't use it as mounting war machines as did the Indians and Carthage doesn't mean the Chinese couldn't represent it in a game. Actually, the root of the Chinese character for elephant, 像 xiang, take its origin in the Shang period, which means elephants were known in China between 1600-1046 before Christ.
If they didn't use elephants in war, why would they put it in a war game? The Indians did in war, so they put it in a war game. Hence, Chess came from India.
Based on your argument, it could be coming from Africa as well. It is well known that Hannibal from Carthage faced the Romans with war elephants.
I think we would need more evidence to say that it came from India.
Well, we have eliminated China as the origin of Chess.
Not really. A Chinese could be a fan of elephants and put it into his game. It also happens that in Feng Shui, a Chinese art de vivre, elephants represent strength, protection, wisdom and good luck.
But respect to Viet-Nam for having to fight against so many powerful foes, like France, the USA and China, in the second part of the XXth century and opposing fierce resistance, if not clearly winning. If I had to learn an other language, I would consider Vietnamese for the calm, flexible and powerful demeanor that seems to emanate from its people. Cheers.
DerekDHarvey a écrit :
I deny that Buddhism came from India. In fact it came from Afghanistan.
The UNESCO recognized he came from Lumbini, in today's Nepal, which did not exist as Nepal at the time of Buddha. He lived most of his life in today's India and attained enlightenment there.
Aug 30, 2020
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Master_Chang wrote:
Understandable. Have a nice day.
long_quach a écrit :
Marc101101 wrote:
Not really. A Chinese could be a fan of elephants and put it into his game.
You'd make a very bad detective.
So the Chinese didn't use elephants in war, but put it in Chinese Chess and then the Indians copied it from them even though the Indians...
Your reasoning is lacking. I am the kind of detective who keep looking for answers, not the one easily convinced by a poor evidence. You seem to pretend you know everything, but lack common sense.
Overwhelming evidence:
https://en.chessbase.com/post/give-up-the-siy-version-play-chinese-che-
http://www.anusha.com/origin.htm