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also was dis an adoption match or something?

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White's Elo is more than 1300 points higher than Black's Elo!

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KevinOSh wrote:

White's Elo is more than 1300 points higher than Black's Elo!

NO! STOP!

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white is 2600 and black is is 1200

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darkbrah7654 wrote:

white is 2600 and black is is 1200

Hikaru vs sub

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AunTheKnight wrote:
darkbrah7654 wrote:

white is 2600 and black is is 1200

Hikaru vs sub

or probably gotham vs sub

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darkbrah7654 wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
darkbrah7654 wrote:

white is 2600 and black is is 1200

Hikaru vs sub

or probably gotham vs sub

Probably.

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I can confirm that White is neither GM Hikaru Nakamura nor IM Levy Rozman

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AunTheKnight wrote:
KevinOSh wrote:

White's Elo is more than 1300 points higher than Black's Elo!

NO! STOP!

White's Elo is more than 1400 points higher than Black's Elo! grin.png

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KevinOSh wrote:
This was a 10 minute Live chess game played earlier this year
 

Rather than guessing the average Elo, this challenge invites you to make two guesses: one for Black and one for White.

Good luck everyone!

As far as I can tell white played this game without making any mistakes. All the moves were logical to me. Black played well as well, however Qb7 is a weird move, I would say that move wastes time. Also, not realizing that white has a threat of playing h6 and then sacrificing the bishop on g6 shows that black is not a master. 12.. Nce5 is also too slow in my opinion.

Since, this is a 10 minute rapid game, I would say white is 2000 and black is 1600.

Although as far as I can tell all white's moves were good so he can be any rating really. White is 1800+ rated.

My estimation for white is 1700-3000. 
My estimation for black is 1500-1700.

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Basically the game was decided by black giving up 2 tempos for nothing to white by playing two nothing moves (Qb7 and Nce5) and then not realizing that h6 is a threat. White on the other hand didn't make any mistakes that I was able to see, neither positional nor tactical (I haven't checked the game with the engine, I am too lazy to plug it into the engine). I am rated 1900 rapid and I feel like I could have played a game like this for white but the thing is, I am not sure if higher rated players would have any way to improve white's game. Which means that this could have easily been a titled player, but it could have also been a 1900 player who played a good game. Playing f3 and then g4, long castle, waiting to develop the light square bishop are all kind of thematic ideas in a position like this, I feel like you don't have to be 2200+ to play a game like this, but also you can be 2200+ and play like this. 
When it comes to black's play, black didn't blunder any material, he didn't hang any pieces which tells me that he should also be at least 1300-1400 rapid. 

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KevinOSh wrote:
This was a 10 minute Live chess game played earlier this year
 

Rather than guessing the average Elo, this challenge invites you to make two guesses: one for Black and one for White.

Good luck everyone!

Was my estimation too off ? Also, will there be more games like this, I like guess the elo and I am sure many other people like it as well.

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dude0812 wrote:
KevinOSh wrote:
This was a 10 minute Live chess game played earlier this year
 

Rather than guessing the average Elo, this challenge invites you to make two guesses: one for Black and one for White.

Good luck everyone!

Was my estimation too off ? Also, will there be more games like this, I like guess the elo and I am sure many other people like it as well.

I think your analysis is pretty good.

I ran the game through the engine and it said White's move h5 was a mistake, but you know, not really, as his strategy was always to get those pawns up the board to attack the kingside and ultimately checkmate. Black did not realize White's plan until it was too late.

I can confirm that White's Elo is ABOVE 1900 and that he was playing against a very much weaker opponent, who played very well under the circumstances.

I am sure that Black treated the game more seriously than White did.

Also I agree with you, guess the Elo is good fun but also the process is good for our chess. It doesn't matter if the estimates are wrong, the process of analyzing other games helps us to get better.

I don't have another game in mind yet, but will probably do another one after this.

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AunTheKnight wrote:
Duolingo_is_under_u wrote:

black 1400

white 1650?

No way! White and black played too badly to be above 1300!

White did play 2.d4 and Qxd4 which is not optimal, but often times players do this in online chess, mainly to throw opponents out of theory. These two moves don't mean much on their own. I guess that the other reasons why you think that white played badly are that he played f3, didn't develop his kingside bishop and knight and then blocked his bishop with his queen. However, none of these moves are mistakes. Often times when you are castling queenside you want to play f3 which prepares g4, it stops Ng4 and it strengthens the center. Waiting to develop kingside bishop and knight is a pretty common idea in these kinds of positions where you castle queenside and your opponent castled kingside. For this reason it doesn't matter that white's queen blocks the bishop, you don't plan on moving it anyway (sometimes you will even put the bishop on h3 or b2). Also, you want the queen on the kingside, that's why Qe2 is a good move. Because you want to transfer the queen to the kingside. So, why didn't white play Qh4 or something like that instead of Qe2? There are 2 main reasons. First reason is, white wants his queen behind the pawns, so that the queen doesn't block the pawnstorm. The second reason is that white's queen can get harassed if it is in front of the pawns. Queen is safer behind the pawns but it is also just as deadly when it is behind the pawns, attacking from distance. White made no mistakes in this game as far as I can tell. 

When it comes to black's play, the only mistakes I can see are allowing white to play h6, playing Nce5 and Qb7 (I think these two moves are a waste of precious tempos). Black could have tried to justify Qb7 by putting a rook behind the queen but he never did that which means that black played Qc8 and then Qb7 for nothing. His plan was apparently to put pressure on white's d5 pawn (which is a ridiculous plan in this situation. Black needed to attack white's king by a pawnstorm of his own). In my opinion black should have first marched his pawns and only then decide where to put his queen depending on what files get open. That way you save a tempo when moving a queen, and your queen move itself will maybe come with tempo. Black didn't pose any problems to white in this game. Black's attack was so slow that white could do whatever he wanted and white went straight for the jugular.
However, black didn't blunder any material in this game. He developed his pieces, castled, he was simply outplayed by white. I don't know why you think either of those 2 players are below 1300

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dude0812 wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
Duolingo_is_under_u wrote:

black 1400

white 1650?

No way! White and black played too badly to be above 1300!

White did play 2.d4 and Qxd4 which is not optimal, but often times players do this in online chess, mainly to throw opponents out of theory. These two moves don't mean much on their own. I guess that the other reasons why you think that white played badly are that he played f3, didn't develop his kingside bishop and knight and then blocked his bishop with his queen. However, none of these moves are mistakes. Often times when you are castling queenside you want to play f3 which prepares g4, it stops Ng4 and it strengthens the center. Waiting to develop kingside bishop and knight is a pretty common idea in these kinds of positions where you castle queenside and your opponent castled kingside. For this reason it doesn't matter that white's queen blocks the bishop, you don't plan on moving it anyway (sometimes you will even put the bishop on h3 or b2). Also, you want the queen on the kingside, that's why Qe2 is a good move. Because you want to transfer the queen to the kingside. So, why didn't white play Qh4 or something like that instead of Qe2? There are 2 main reasons. First reason is, white wants his queen behind the pawns, so that the queen doesn't block the pawnstorm. The second reason is that white's queen can get harassed if it is in front of the pawns. Queen is safer behind the pawns but it is also just as deadly when it is behind the pawns, attacking from distance. White made no mistakes in this game as far as I can tell. 

When it comes to black's play, the only mistakes I can see are allowing white to play h6, playing Nce5 and Qb7 (I think these two moves are a waste of precious tempos). Black could have tried to justify Qb7 by putting a rook behind the queen but he never did that which means that black played Qc8 and then Qb7 for nothing. His plan was apparently to put pressure on white's d5 pawn (which is a ridiculous plan in this situation. Black needed to attack white's king by a pawnstorm of his own). In my opinion black should have first marched his pawns and only then decide where to put his queen depending on what files get open. That way you save a tempo when moving a queen, and your queen move itself will maybe come with tempo. Black didn't pose any problems to white in this game. Black's attack was so slow that white could do whatever he wanted and white went straight for the jugular.
However, black didn't blunder any material in this game. He developed his pieces, castled, he was simply outplayed by white. I don't know why you think either of those 2 players are below 1300

 

Time for another hint: Aun is correct in thinking Black is below 1300, but way off with White.

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white is 2600 and black is 1100 i think

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darkbrah7654 wrote:

white is 2600 and black is 1100 i think

White's Elo is more than 1500 points higher than Black's Elo!

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white is 2700 and black is 1100

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white played a great game and black simply got outplayed by white

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darkbrah7654 wrote:

white is 2700 and black is 1100

White's Elo is more than 1600 points higher than Black's Elo!