Illegal Position Contest!

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n9531l1
NicBurgo wrote:

How has this thread lasted for five years?

I suppose there must be, in the whole world of chess players,  enough people who are stimulated by the intellectual challenges provided by these kinds of problems.

Ilampozhil25

also after like 2 weeks the "contest" part was just gone

n9531l1

I've been trying to find positions that are hard to prove illegal. I thought I had done so with the position at #4566, but tacticspotter figured it out the same day. Let's see how long it takes someone to give a convincing proof that this new position is illegal.

 

Ilampozhil25

hmm axb3 duh dxcxb4 duh exdxcxb5 duh fxexdxcxbxa7 duh add blacks 5 remaining pieces and black has 16 pieces. but whites g pawn needs to promote(for the second queen) but it needs to capture to do so. or does it? black could have played gxf6 to let whites pawn pass then fxg5 and fxgwhatever. so white has 14 pieces on board and 3 have to have been captured so illegal.

(If whites g pawn captured then black has to have 17 pieces.)

Ilampozhil25

just a counting exercise

Ilampozhil25

33 pieces are required on board is the summary so illegal

n9531l1

So this was another one that was too easy. White's pawns used all 11 available captures to get into place, so the g-pawn has to promote without capturing. But Black needs three captures for one pawn to leave and two pawns to return to the g-file, and Black has only two available captures.

I'll see if I can find a harder one.

Ilampozhil25
n9531l1 wrote:

I've been trying to find positions that are hard to prove illegal. I thought I had done so with the position at #4566, but tacticspotter figured it out the same day. Let's see how long it takes someone to give a convincing proof that this new position is illegal.

 

26 minutes

n9531l1

I'm hoping I can find one that takes you at least 30 minutes.

Ilampozhil25

well i really saw it around 10-20 minutes after you posted and typed with 1 finger from 1 hand super slowly

n9531l1

Here's a position that was published as a valid mate in 2 problem and later found to be illegal. See how long it takes to prove illegality. You're allowed to type fast with both hands if you like. Then see how long it takes you to solve it as a White to play and mate in 2 problem.

 

Ilampozhil25

lol no i wont try to prove illegality here

Ilampozhil25

i want others to try

n9531l1
Ilampozhil25 wrote:

i want others to try

There won't be any others from me until someone tackles this one.

TheGlog

The illegal thing is that the white pond on g5 is in the same line as a black one, so it must have taken some piece, but black has not lost and piece so far. ( Sry for my bad english)

DukeOfHelsinki

Precisely

n9531l1
TheGlog wrote:

The illegal thing is that the white pond on g5 is in the same line as a black one, so it must have taken some piece, but black has not lost and piece so far. ( Sry for my bad english)

Your English is fine but your explanation is incorrect. Black's c-pawn can capture White's d-pawn on d6 and then promote to a piece to be captured by the white h-pawn on g5 after the black g-pawn has reached the 4th rank.

Ilampozhil25

Precisely

P.S. Is this copywrite?

n9531l1

No, it's in the public domain.

chamo2074
Ilampozhil25 wrote:

Precisely

P.S. Is this copywrite?

No this is copyright