Is this a draw?

This seems like a joke question and it is pretty funny admittedly, but I’m entirely serious about this. 2100 peak rapid here and I don’t understand this rule of chess fully.

So yeah this is the bongcloud draw. Or is it? Can a draw actually be claimed here?

 Well obviously it’s threefold repetition right? Not so fast. In the first position, after 1. e4 e5, both sides have the rights to castle. After the kings are shuffled to e2 and back to e1, castling rights are lost. Therefore the position is (maybe) considered different. So can a draw be claimed here, or must both sides wait for the kings to go to e2 and e7 again before claiming a draw?

Imagine being 2000 and not knowing how to play chess. Sucks to be me I guess lol

It’s not the exact same position though due to castling rights. Does threefold disregard this?

Danke , vielen Dank .

Yeah

It is not threefold repetition due to the fact that castling rights have changed.

According to Wikipedia it’s not a draw: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threefold_repetition

Then again, it’s Wikipedia, and not always the most accurate source. No idea how we could settle this unless we try to play it out lol.

It's always a draw if you get your crayons out 🖍 

I think it is not. Threefold repetition is applied in several places...but not chess.com maybe? I'm not sure, but since both players have legal moves, i think not.

I think it is because otherwise the match on chess24 would have not be declared a draw

It's not a draw

I remember learning that castling rights count

so yeah it's not a draw yet

It’s possible they agreed to a draw, no?

Actually, I feel that by "neither side can castle" it means the absolute possibility.

In the first scenario, the castling rights are momentarily prohibited as the path to castling is blocked by the bishop and the knight.

In the second and third scenarios, the castling rights are absolutely prohibited as the king has moved.

On that count, it would have been considered only the second repetition as a result. But this topic actually brings up a good point for discussion.