Forums

possible or impossible?

Sort:
shoopi

Regarding puzzle 3#, any further progress on that one?

Switching the rooks isn't easy. For this particular maneuver, you need to find a way to block the white rook from checking the black king. But how can this be done? does white have any piece that can interfere with that check?

bishshoy_das

I give up. No use posting half-hearted solutions. I  guess its ur turn shoopi...

shoopi

Alright. The really tricky trick is to use the white king in order to switch up the rooks - white rook getting to e2 (you need the white king to prevent the rook from checking the black king), then the black rook gets behind it, then the white rook gets back and viola! the switch is complete. Proof game below (watch move 51 onward for the critical maneuver):

shoopi

New positions coming up.

 

First one is a composition by einstein_69101, second one is a composition by myself. Possible or impossible?

thenextprodigy

Second one is impossible. How could 2 rooks be on the 1st rank adjacent?

learningthemoves

Yeah, but that's not the final position expressed in the puzzle originally, so still impossible.

Fralnp

Puzzle 2 is indeed impossible see position below

After Black plays gxh2 in that setup (the only way to get a promoted Rook on g1, White is stuck: no pawns can be pushed to alter the position and the remaining piece is pinned. Now bite me and prove me wrong as alwaysTongue out

 

Jadeite
Fralnp wrote:

Puzzle 2 is indeed impossible see position below

After Black plays gxh2 in that setup (the only way to get a promoted Rook on g1, White is stuck: no pawns can be pushed to alter the position and the remaining piece is pinned. Now bite me and prove me wrong as always

 

 

Hm... What if there was another knight on f1, like this:

White won't ever get stuck,  as before that sequence, he can just shuffle around the 'extra' knight.
Fralnp

Yes but in order for the c7-pawn to reach h2 White had to sacrifice 5 mens (excluding Bishops since they could never get out of that pawn formation), two Rooks, a Queen, a Knight and the h-pawn. I would liked a scenario like this however...

piphilologist
shoopi wrote:

and viola! the switch is complete.  

shoopi
s0030135 wrote:

The first position in #151 is possible:

 


Correct, solved!

Still awaiting sentence for the second puzzle... good luck.

piphilologist
edit: someone got it before me :(
shoopi

Congratulations to both of you!

 

More positions coming up.

which of these positions is legal? (composed by cobra91):

andrewjmen

here's another one, black can still castle on both sides but that doesn't really matter

andrewjmen

is it too hard or is it too easy that nobody wants to answer?

shoopi

Not many people are active in this thread, and those that are aren't always here. Give it time.

Anyway, thanks for contributing for the thread. I'll give your position a shot.

shoopi

Alright here's the analysis:

Black has promoted all of his pawns. In order to achieve that, he must have made a minimum of 6 captures with his pawns. White is missing exactly 6 pieces, so all of them must have been captured.

This means that black's a, b, g, and h pawns couldn't have captured a piece on the way to promotion. Here I had to think about it, but it is possible thanks to black's missing bishops.

What's nice about this position is the symmetry, as play is basically the same on both wings.

andrewjmen

you're right Shoopi!

andrewjmen

here´s the answer without promotion:



shoopi

That's true.

Funny that both of our solutions took exactly 60 moves to complete Cool

I know it can be done in less, but the question is, how much less? what is the least amount of moves necessary to reach this position?

This might be a new fun challenge to work on (by the way, the problems I posted on 163# are still up for solving Smile)