Why do they say "don't premove in the opening"?

I once played a 1 second game with 2 bonus seconds

Actually 30s + 0s. 

And it's possible to even cut the time in half to get an extra point in the tournament. :)

Do you mean, 15 seconds for the whole game?

Qd5 was very stylish!

jajaja what a move!

"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."

Chess is chess, no matter what the time control, unless you are using different rules for how the pieces move.  Beyond that it is just a measure of quality and let's face it, the world's top players play better bullet chess than the vast majority play however long they have to come up with their mistakes!

Obviously you can get some stupid games, but anyone who premoves at the start of a 3 minute game deserves what they get.  3 minutes is ages and there is 0 chance of you time-burning your way to victory against a half-decent player if you hang a few pieces straight out of the opening.

I've posted a couple of times on these forums the brilliant one minute game Bronstein vs. Spassky. I once saw in YouTube a 1800 beating a 1400 with time odds like 30 secs. vs. 2 minutes, OTB. I have a great respect to that, but still I think y'all are nuts. 

Guys, check this.

Click on THIS LINK, then click on the Menu on the right side below the move list (3 horizonal lines) and then click on "realtime" and enjoy. 

Great to read you, guys - and MSC157 - what a show! I couldn't follow a lot of it...

I remember playing lots of 1:00 against 7:00 and 0:30 against 5:00 OTB with a 1600ish friend and generally beating him close to all the time... somehow it feels better to go through that madness OTB than online when it's just a mouse, not pieces, and the other guy isn't even in the room...

Yes, OTB you are enjoying a bit of bowling too. 

It's the hilarity... this is kind of missing online - you only get nerves (when you play THAT fast)

That was hilarious. I hope he realizes there's a lesson to be learned there. 

That's the big question, I suppose... :-)

I find premoving online switching from logical game to gambling. The most powerful premoves can be made OTB because one can see opponent's hand movement which suggests the move which is going to be made and this allows to start thinking of the answer before the move appears on the board but without the risk of programming the answer.

Another thing which cannot be done online which happens OTB is to lose no time on the move (premoves online minimize the time but still it takes a bunch of milliseconds required to transmit the move over the wire).

You start your move before the opponent has hit the clock and by the time he starts pushing the clock button you have moved the piece and rush to the clock to hold your button so the opponent is not able to switch the clock.

What is interesting, I can be competitive in this kind of play yet I always lose mouse races online. My hand follows my mind when it comes to moving the real pieces and pushing the clock but with the mouse I am always too slow, not counting numerous mouse-slips and getting frustrated by my pieces landing on different squares than I had intended

I premove 3/4 of my moves, who cares man

<Dzikus> you raise some interesting points... it's true what you say about gambling. 

<theconciser> I guess this can work in bullet - not so in the opening stage of 3 0 as we see here...

<tyler1> is gone from this thread and won't be back... :-)

LOL

:-) !!!!