doduobird123 wrote:
d4 is much stronger, the Lolli attack.
6. ... exd4?
A better line in the fried liver attack
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GSHAPIROY wrote:
doduobird123 wrote:
d4 is much stronger, the Lolli attack.
6. ... exd4?
No 6. ... Nxd4 is even better!
Ummm, actually there is nothing on e4, let alone that a knight cannot go there, and 6...ed4 loses immediately...
If you mean 6...Nxd4, then yes, this is the best move for Black, but white can still keep a moderate advantage.
I really don't like Ng5 since white hasn't completed development or even castled yet.
pfren wrote:
Ummm, actually there is nothing on e4, let alone that a knight cannot go there, and 6...ed4 loses immediately...
If you mean 6...Nxd4, then yes, this is the best move for Black, but white can still keep a moderate advantage.
Sorry the "e4" was a typo - I fixed it
chessmicky wrote:
Some immortal of the past, I think it was Tarrasch, called 4.Ng5 a "duffer's move." And yet, duffers, including Booby Fischer. have played it for over a century. I guess the general consensus is that Black gets adequate compensation for his pawn in the main line (4...d5 5.exd5 Na5), but isn't 5...Nxd5 still under a cloud after 6.d4?
Yeah. I don't see much reason to play 5...Nxd5 when you can play 5...Na5.
Oct 14, 2013
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That means nothing; if you'd beaten him in a sicilian would you claim the sicilian to be innacurate? Black's initiative is painful to endure as white, and the Na5 lines are much better than holding on to the pawn
Oct 14, 2013
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Fried Liver attack is such a stupid opening. It's stupid for black to allow it, it's stupid for white to play it.
chessmicky wrote:
Dodoubird123: congratulations on your win, that was a good game. But I'm not at all convinced that you've proven anything about the opening. I've beaten a USCF Expert who played the black side of a Najdorf, but I notice that people keep right on playing it!
On the very rare occasions I've played this line, I've played 15.Rad8, but Rab8 looks very good. But I think Black slipped up on move 18. Both 18...Bh2+ 19. Kh1 Be5 and 18....Rfd8 are better than what Black played, and I like Black's game.
I think that Deodato would have prefered his game after either 37...Qxg2 mate, or after 38...Qxg2 mate.
jajscott wrote:
I think that Deodato would have prefered his game after either 37...Qxg2 mate, or after 38...Qxg2 mate.
Nah, not really. A checkmate is not enough compensation for a pawn... 
Nor missing 26...Bxg2 (with an easy win for Black) matters. You should trust the... ummm, experts...
pfren wrote:
jajscott wrote:
I think that Deodato would have prefered his game after either 37...Qxg2 mate, or after 38...Qxg2 mate.
Nah, not really. A checkmate is not enough compensation for a pawn...
Nor missing 26...Bxg2 (with an easy win for Black) matters. You should trust the... ummm, experts...
The expert also seized the wrong open file (Rab8 instead of Rfe8), as a rule says don't occupy a file unless you stand to benefit from it. The Nd3 defends b2 nicely.
17.a4?! seemed completely unneccessary, the b5 square has nothing going on. I know he wanted to push his passed pawn candidate, but there's just so much going on tactically at that moment, such slow considerations usually take a back seat. He weakened b2, which opened him up to tactics. ...a6! greatly restricts white's pieces before the tactics.
After 20.Qc1 (white was making some dubious moves, Nb2 doesn't achieve much, black is too active for such slow maneuvers.)
20...Rxb3! gives black a clear advantage: he gives up material to give white an isolated a-pawn (so it's not going to become passed or help the b-pawn become a passer) 21.cxb3,Nxb3 22.Qd1,Nxa1 23.Qxa1,Bxc3 24.Bxc3,Rxe2 and black obtains a rook on the seventh, passed c-pawn, and if 25.Bxf6 (maybe why the expert rejected the line?) it gives black four pawn islands, true, but black's piece activity makes up for it, especially having bishop vs. knight in the ending.
But f6...
doduobird123 wrote:
TitanCG wrote:
chessmicky wrote:
Some immortal of the past, I think it was Tarrasch, called 4.Ng5 a "duffer's move." And yet, duffers, including Booby Fischer. have played it for over a century. I guess the general consensus is that Black gets adequate compensation for his pawn in the main line (4...d5 5.exd5 Na5), but isn't 5...Nxd5 still under a cloud after 6.d4?
Yeah. I don't see much reason to play 5...Nxd5 when you can play 5...Na5.
Black does not have enough compensation after Na5. I've beaten a 2000 rated USCF player when he played that line.
Here is the game:
Probably full of mistakes, but you can blame that on the time control. (G-30 5D).
Well who won that game?
See this!: